much appreciated stonehedge ...

i really am looking forward to spr succeeding - but have my concerns which i have voiced ...

i like the plans - i like the community - and the people that make up the community ...

i guess its just my opinions that are getting in the way with our progress on a farm level with spr ... because its actually ME that does all the blasted changeover :| ... hehehe ...

where is an assistant when you need them ...

#crysx

  Yeah, I can't imagine doing all of that every time!  And I like your posts.  I just don't always understand everything.  I mined an arm load, too.  Right now mining something else and buying spread with BTC.

and that is my point exactly ...

its not meant for anyone to really 'understand' as such - though it would be quite advantageous to understand the crypto industry as a whole ...

its meant to be 'easy' for everyone to get into and do the things that we all do with the coins ... we mine - others buy and hold - you mine and trade and buy spr ...

we are doing the same as you - except buying more spr ... the farm is commited to many other things at the moment ...

i personally would really like to see the easy distribution of spr though an easy way of mining - especially through pools ...

the main drive of mining is to stabalize and secure the blockchain as well as mint new coins to use in the network ...

tanx for your comments ...

#crysx

Welcome awoland.

Highly appreciated that you finally make a post here in the new official spreadcoin thread.

This must be your first post ever on BCT in english language??? After more than 1500 posts in russian? I feel honored.  

Please stick around and contribute, your input is highly valued.

 

PS Next time you make a commit to the master branch it would be nice if you could contact the devs community first, before you go ahead. Thanks.

I'm pretty new to the coin, but doesn't making it pool friendly kinda defeats the whole purpose of this coin?

i once liked it too ...

until the issues involved with mining it turned into a major headache ...

even when we were mining with nonce-pool - we still had to go through all the changes involved with it ...

but that is only one of the points ...

mining this way restricts distribution ... only those willing to go through the headache of the setup will be the ones that can afford to do so ...

the original 'purpose' of the coin was a 'no pools' design ... that broke ...

now its 'pool resistant' ... guess what ... history will repeat itself ...

still all the while restricting the distribution of the coin itself ...

like mentioned earlier - i liked the concept ... but like the original dev - this concept should be forfeited and moved forward to allow a MUCH wider distribution to the crypto community as whole ... not 'just' the spr community ...

its open source - so what makes you think that no will copy THIS coin and make it a more distributable and more viable coin WITH the servicenode concept - except it wont be as restrictive due to the algo chosen ... which means EVERYONE can have a piece of it ... everyone ...

thats all im saying ...

and of course im a lazy bugger - as stated in posts past - and prefer automation rather manual intervention with mining ... ...

#crysx

There is no service node concept without the competency to design, develop and execute a good overall offer.

Please show me any project with a similar road map and joined up approach.

We've been here since February. Thinking through options, planning, preparing, doing.

There is a fine line between constructive criticism, which anyone and everyone should welcome, and skeptical pessimism that puts people off.

"I don't think your plans on xyz are good enough, perhaps you should do abc."  Constructive.

"All I hear is plans and no action." Pessimism.

The fine line is this.

A bank run can start with 3 people in a queue outside a bank. A little pessimism can turn into a self fulfilling prophecy.

I don't mean to purposefully antagonize, but sometimes people get to a point where those working hard in the background start to believe in the negativity, and think to themselves, why should I bother?.  Those who watch and don't post, will be the same.

I'm having this discussion on another project with the main dev who is wondering why he should bother.

Mr.Spread himself is likely to have had enough of the fud and just walked away.

Mr. Spread went from July to Feb when servicenode testing round 2 started. He is likely to have been planning things for a few months before that. We are still early into the take-over and the preparations for a new directions.

Don't get me wrong, I value your contributions. For example, we have been actively discussing changing the mining approach to make things easier.

Good post jjjordan.  Coins101, stonehedge, and crysx, you guys bring up good points and I like this discussion but I want to share my thoughts. 

The thing that attracted me to this coin was the no pools characteristic.  As much as I don't want to admit it, crysx is right, that is gone now.  I think the ANN page needs to reflect that this coin is pool resistant and list ocminer's pool.  I don't think that's a big deal, it really doesn't change the direction this coin has now taken.  A pool exists, therefore it is not "No Pools" as it states.  The price isn't going to move and we aren't going to lose any contributor because we change that.  Being pool resistant is a good thing, it seems like it's a pain to setup. 

Crysx, at this point in time there is nothing wrong with spreadx11 mining (even if it's inefficient, it's the same for everybody).  It's rather a problem you are having.  Just as Just2laff said anybody with any size farm can mine this coin.  It's the way you guys are implementing the miner is the problem.  Your machines are capable of mining spr just fine.

But notice I said "at this point in time".  I think crysx is right about making a change at some point.  With spreadx11 being pool resistant most people will solo mine.  When (and if) service nodes are implemented and the price rises, spr will attract attention but the only people that will be able to mine will be the farms, like crysx's.  The casual miner or one that has 1-5 cards will not be able to grab any blocks.  They will need to join a pool to get in on the action.  If we don't change anything we risk all the blocks ending up in the hands of large farms, not decentralized at all. 

Switching to x11 is one way to get this done as crysx suggested (or someone did).  I don't think there is a rush to do this.  If we switch to x11 now, we risk spr being added to autoconverting multipools and getting lost in that mess of ordinary coins when service nodes are not implemented yet.  If this is the way we go I say we wait until after service nodes are implemented.  It's kind of analogous to btc mining moving from cpu->gpu->fpga->asic to help secure the bigger and bigger network.  As we grow, our network of miners can grow by switching to an algo that is friendly to pool mining.  That being said I'd like us to figure out some kind of mechanism to prevent spr being added to autoconverting multipools.  (Ironically I use those pools sometimes but I don't think they are good for a coin's health) 

After rereading this maybe spreadx11 is still the way to go as long as it's autoconverting multipool resistant.  Ocminer just needs to show how he accomplished this so other pools open up.  He may have already, I don't know. And now we can change the Title and ANN page to read 'Zero Multipools'   I like that.

Crysx, I don't how you can write so much all the time, my brain is mush now....