How far back do you want to go? Did people invent fire because they didn't have anything better to do that day? Or did they see lightning strike a tree and the wood burn afterward? Or was it a volcanic lava stream that started fires?

It takes fire to melt iron and glass. You need to look through a lot of history of where things came from, who invented them, and why, to get the answers to your questions. It was a long process to go from fire to computers and rockets, but it all comes from nature and natural operations of nature's machinery.

Oh fer chrissakes dude!!
are you trying to compete with my buddy BADecker to be the most delusional poster in here?

I think you guys need to rephrase what you are trying to say. Man did not create fire just like man did not create mathematics. They were both discovered.

This whole bloody thread has a faulty premise to begin with.

@BADecker thinks he can speak for ALL Atheists, in their incredible diversity, and I personally doubt if all of them "hate" religion.

They have rejected it, @BADecker, do you feel rejected?

Why won't you share YOUR AMAZING faith?  Everyone else here has.

I thought you wanted to enlighten all of us.

You're right. But isn't it similar? If you used to discover mathematics or fire then it means you created it? Like for example I use to discover a vaccine that can cure cancer then I created it.

Could you explain why one should read the new testament 4 time for every reading of the old?
Is it because if you want to base your morality on the bible (and the old testament in particular), we would go around:
 
stoning women to death (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)
stoning children to death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
stoning people who work on Sunday (Numbers 15:32-56)
killing gays (Romans 1:27 and Leviticus 20:13)... but strangely enough not lesbians (because god is a lovely chap)
Killing men who masturbate (Genesis 38:6-10)... but strangely enough not women, they can rub it 
practising ethnic cleansing (Exodus 34:11-14, Leviticus 26:7-9)
committing genocides (Numbers 21: 2-3, Numbers 21:33–35, Deuteronomy 2:26–35, and Joshua 1–12)
killing people because we suspect they are witches (Exodus 22:18)
not touching our girlfriends if they have their period (Lev. 15:19–24)
selling our daughters as slaves (Exodus 21:7)...
...because you know, slavery is ok (Leviticus 25:44)
drowning people (Genesis 7:21-23)
killing our enemies and raping their women (Numbers 31:7-18)
killing who disagree with us on religion (Leviticus 24:16)
killing cheaters (Leviticus 20:10)
killing women who get remarried (Deuteronomy 22:13-14,20-21)
allowing our daughters to be sexually assaulted by multiple rapists (Genesis 19:8 and Judges 19:16-30)...
...and after that she has to marry her rapist (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
chopping women's hands off if they touch another man's testicles (Deuteronomy 25:11) - even if it was to defend us
kicking out of churches people who have lost their testicles (Deuteronomy 23:1), doesn't matter if they had cancer or whatever
not eating shellfish and pig, camel, rock badger, rabbit, eagle, vulture, buzzard, falcon, raven, crow, ostrich, owl, seagull, hawk, pelican, stork, heron, bat, winged insects that walk on four legs unless they have joints to jump with like grasshoppers (?), bear, mole, mouse, lizard, gecko, crocodile, chameleon and snail (Leviticus 11).

And then you say that atheist "hate"? The whole bible is a big genocide!




 

Lightning never strikes a tree by pure chance. Nor is it pure chance that people see it. There are countless actions and reactions, causes and effects going on that cause the lightening to strike the tree, and cause the people to see it. Nothing is done by chance.

Man create fire in Bic lighter. No invention of nature... not directly that is.

Old Testament governmental and ceremonial laws in the Bible were for ancient Israel. They are still for anyone who wants to follow them by choice.

The ancient Israel ceremonial laws existed to foreshadow the coming of Jesus, the Messiah. This is explained in the N.T. book of Hebrews. Since Jesus did the work that the ceremonial laws were referring to, these laws are no longer needed.

Certainly, the O.T. governmental laws are not for people of the various nations. They are, however, the best governmental laws that can exist. So, it would be nice if they were practiced. But even modern Israel doesn't practice them.

The moral laws - don't harm anybody, and don't damage his property - are similar to the English Common Law, and American Common Law. You can find common law written down in Bouvier's "Maxims of Law" - http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/bouvier/maxims.shtml.

The reason to read the N.T. 4 times as much as the O.T. is because the O.T. will draw a person into despair because of all the wicked things that ancient Israel did, and how God punished them for it. We need the N.T. to constantly remind us that we are forgiven and saved. Yet we DO need the O.T. so that we are reminded of many of the good things... moral laws, methods of praising God, wisdom of Solomon and others.

Atheists who suggest strongly that atheism is NOT a religion hate themselves, because all people are religious creatures at heart.