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    JorgeStolfi
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    November 13, 2015, 09:58:05 PM
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    Jorge, I certainly agree with what you wrote. Note that my answer was shorter and less detailed, but contained essentially the same idea.

    OK, but my point is that smart wallets will not be able to cope with the variable fees.   Even if a client pays the fee recommended by the wallet, his transaction may be delayed as much as if he had paid the minimum fee -- and he will not get a refund.

    There are several common sense reasons why no business on this side of the Galaxy sets its prices as the "fee market" is supposed to work.   I can believe that some of the Core devs do not have that common sense.  But others should see the problems.  It is obviosu that they just don't care: they want the network to become unusable.

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    It seems to me that Adam Back's proposal of 2-4-8 will be chosen quite soon (early next year), maybe with some modifications.

    Is there a BIP for it?  Is there code to test?

    Excuse the cynicism, but I see that vague "proposal"  as a mere demagogical ruse:  it lets Adam pretend that he is a reasonable person, open to increasing the limit to 2 MB before saturation hits --- but in fact he has no intention at all of doing so.

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    It's gonna buy us some time to try to get something better than simply increasing the blocksize limit.

    I agree that the scalability problem will not be solved by merely lifting the block size limit.  Right now, there is no solution for that problem, not even a believable sketch of one.  

    The Lightning Network, even if it was viable, would not be a solution to bitcoin's scaling problem.  It would be just a new payment network, that could use bitcoin and/or any other cryptocoin as the occasional settlement layer, but would be totally unlike bitcoin -- in its goals, premises, and design.  After going through a few transactions, the "virtual bitcoins" that LN clients will own and send will be quite remote from their supposed counterparts on the blockchain.  They will start to resemble more and more what libertarians and ancaps call "debt mony" (and normal people call just "money").   Saying that LN will let bitcoin to scale is like saying that paper checks allowed gold to scale.

    An increase to 2 MB in Q1/2016 would be better than nothing, but it may accomodate another year of traffic increase, at best.

    Raising the limit to 2 MB or to 20 MB would make no difference until 2017 (except that 20 MB would reduce the risk of a spam attack).  With 2 MB, the blocksize limit issue would return in late 2016.

    A large block size limit does not create any significant risk.  When the block size limit was implemented, it was more than 100x the traffic at the time.  Not once in all these 6 years was there an attempt by a miner to harm the system by posting a full 1 MB block.  

    As I pointed out, the onset of the fee market itself will immediately create a large extra internet load on the relay nodes, much larger and sudden than the extra load that would result from natural traffic growth beyond 1 MB.  But the Core devs do not seem to care.  (Not surprisingly, because their alleged concern about the load of those nodes was just a bogus excuse.)

    But hey, my investment in bitcoin cannot lose value, no matter what happens.  Only investors who hold a positive amount of bitcoin should be concerned...  Grin

    Academic interest in bitcoin only. Not owner, not trader, very skeptical of its longterm success.
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