Okay, I recognize that you don't agree.

Perhaps, then, this is an opportunity to agree to improve the disclosure statement so you no longer interpret it as a threat. I see no evidence that generlizethis intended it as a threat when he proposed it and offered it for your feedback. I guess maybe if you had engaged with the process at that time, this disagreement could have been avoided.

Let's be constructive.

What changes, if any, do you propose to the disclosure statement?

As I said above ^

As a core dev, to have any semblance of ethics professionalism, when accusing your competitors of being frauds/scams, you just do it once and do it properly and let people make their own mind up.

Trying it on by posting it 1000's of times on numerours threads, including to the point where the Dash thread has now been mainly you and Icebreaker spamming this (yes I see you are deleting those messages), proves you are not doing it out of any 'honest concern'.

The bottom line is, core devs should not be 'protecting their competitors commuities from scams'.  I don't think you have any idea (or a lot of people here) how extremely crooked that is to do, and why (for example) no one from the Dash team has ever mentioned your own problems like crippled miner launch, botnets, extracting user's private keys to a server - it's not their place to say.

As long as you don't get this, you are just destroying your own credibility and investments. 

That's where we disagree. To use your term from earlier, I'm in favor of freedom. If they wish to comment, they are welcome to do so. No one is changing them out of the Monero thread if they want to talk about Monero, positive or negative.  Ideally they should have documented facts at their disposal, as I do here, including quotes from the developer himself: https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/793787.0

As much as you might want to suppress discussion and disclosure of documented facts, on a thread where they are clearly relevant and on-topic, it isn't going to fly.

You posted the same stuff over 1000 times already, I think people just got bored listening to you about the first 2 days of your competitors launch, 18 months ago, with a new algo (X11) that had an emission bug (like nearly all new algos), that was officially reported and handled by the dev community together.

It's really neurotic that you are still posting the same stuff even on this thread where I am pointing out the real reason why you are doing it (to create the appearance that "dash is a scam" so your own coin can be pumped).

You yourself released a deliberately crippled miner to the XMR community complete with redundant iterations, and after someone in the community pointed it out, you claimed you didn't know.  

And there was no official announcement, just comments like this:


Same as how recently I showed how your web wallet MyMonero.com was storing user's private keys in a cookie and conveniently sending them to the server.  Again, after I expose this 'bug', there was no official announcement, and as far as we know it is still happening.

Given your own 'shady' beginnings and operations even now 1 year after Monero launch, if you really want to investigate scams, you should probably relinquish your titles of 'core team' for XMR AEON.  Maybe then people might start to take your claims of neutrality seriously.

Assuming it was a developer who pointed out that you launched a deliberately crippled miner to the Monero community, I assume that by not contesting the other information that we know you have read now, you are not denying that it is true?

Please be more specific. There is a lot of selective quoting and such.

I you are referring to the MyMonero thing, you should be aware that I have zero involvement with MyMonero. I usually inform people that it is not as secure or private as a personal non-web wallet, and that you need to trust the operator (but that I consider the operator trustworthy). I did just precisely that on reddit recently in fact.

I will acknowledge and agree that the release cycle on Monero has been disappointing but there really is some excellent and even accelerating development in the github tree that is still being tested and refined (and indeed used by some folks who are on the more adventurous/self-sufficent side).

Hopefully this is something we can improve in the future (faster release cycles).


It doesn't really have the same features. It is diverging somewhat. Both have features that the other lacks, though there may be some reconvergence later as code is merged up- and down-stream. That has always been my plan (and disclosed as such). There are also advantages in agility in freedom from a smaller team but also the obvious disadvantage of many fewer people to work on it. It is not clear how that is going to work out.

Anyway, congratulations on the Dash release. Whatever my issues with Dash, I acknowledge that a lot of work went into that and getting it to a full release is a real accomplishment.

Anyway, congratulations on the Dash release. Whatever my issues with Dash, I acknowledge that a lot of work went into that and getting it to a full release is a real accomplishment.

Well you sound quite ethical and professional when you talk like that, i'm kind of shocked, never heard that before.  Thanks though.

 I wish both AEON XMR communities the best.
We must work together! Criticism is useful in the development of something new. But it is necessary to separate the criticism from tolling ... The clash of interests leads to a blank charges...

I just bought some because i like and respect Smooth and any fairly launched cryptonote coin is all right with me. XMR, BBR and AEON