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    November 02, 2015, 04:14:00 PM
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    Once again my attempt to summarize and explain the weekly bitcoin developer meeting in layman's terms. 
    Link to last weeks summarization     


    Disclaimer

    Please bear in mind I'm not a developer and I'd have problems coding "hello world!", so some things might be incorrect or plain wrong. 
    Like any other write-up it likely contains personal biases, although I try to stay as neutral as I can. 
    There are no decisions being made in these meetings, so if I say "everyone agrees" this means everyone present in the meeting, that's not consensus, but since a fair amount of devs are present it's a good representation. 
    The dev IRC and mailinglist are for bitcoin development purposes. If you have not contributed actual code to a bitcoin-implementation, this is probably not the place you want to reach out to. There are many places to discuss things that the developers read, including this sub-reddit.


    link to this week logs 
    Meeting minutes by meetbot 
    Meeting google doc


    Main topics discussed where: 
     
    Upcoming softfork   
    Chain limits 
    Clang format 
    BIP68 and BIP112 implementations


    Short topics/notes

    The LevelDB topic was started but deferred till after the meeting as there are currently no plans to move to another database. However research and testing is encouraged. mcelrath volunteered to make a LMDB branch, jgarzik already has a sqlite branch.


    Upcoming softfork

    - background 

    CheckLockTimeVerify (CLTV) aka "how you thought nLockTime worked before you actually tried to use it" is a softfork scheduled for release at the end of October (ends up being early November).


    - meeting comments

    Check to see if there's anything that needs to be included in this release that's not already in. Luke-jr has a Pull-request open to add bugfixes. 
    Check to see if there's any coordination for the softfork in regards to other clients. btcd is ready for it, bitcoinj historically hasn't implemented any softforks. 


    - meeting conclusion 

    Release with only CLTV as softfork.


    Chain limits

    - background 

    Chain in this context means connected transactions. When you send a transaction that depends on another transaction that has yet to be confirmed we talk about a chain of transactions.
    Miners ideally take the whole chain into account instead of just every single transaction (although that's not widely implemented afaik). So while a single transaction might not have a sufficient fee, a depending transaction could have a high enough fee to make it worthwhile to mine both.
    This is commonly known as child-pays-for-parent. 
    Since you can make these chains very big it's possible to clog up the mempool this way.   
    With the recent maleability attacks, anyone who made transactions going multiple layers deep would've already encountered huge problems doing this (beautifully explained in let's talk bitcoin #258 from 13:50 onwards)   
    Proposal and github link.

    - meeting comments

    25 as limit is still very high and could be lower. 
    Discussion on which statistics and measurements would be useful and relevant to this proposal.

    - meeting conclusion

    Morcos will do some extra measurements to back up the proposal.


    Clang format

    - background

    Just like libconsensus this is something to tidy up the code, but more about the style and format of the code itself. Quoting part of a github comment by gmaxwell: 
    "Stylistic consistency has actual benefits; it aids newcomers in their contributions because it is easier for them to make sure their work is okay on styleistic grounds; though this may be offset by having to install some particular version of clang-format before they can get started. It eases review because the uniformity creates better expectations; but reformating makes looking at the history harder, which harms review. Good style choices (as opposed to merely consistent) have, at times, been shown to lower defect rates in software-- but there is not a universal opinion on what choices are good." 
     

    - meeting comments

    Proposal a while ago was to clang-format file set <a b c ...> Once done, maintain those files' formatting with automation. 
    Opinions diverge pretty hard. From let's not change anything for existing files to let's change the entire bitcoin repository. 
    Some behavior changes from one Clang version to another,  which would require everyone to use the same version of clang format, which is burdensome.


    - meeting conclusion

    No conclusion.

    BIP68 and BIP112 implementations

    - background

    BIP 68  Consensus-enforced transaction replacement signaled via sequence numbers , and current implementation
    BIP 112 CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY, and current implementation
    In short: BIP 68 changes the meaning of the sequence number field to a relative locktime. BIP 112 makes that field accessible to the bitcoin scripting system.

    - meeting comments

    Concerns about the fact that the LockTime function skips non-existing inputs. 
    For review purposes btcdrak combined both pull-requests ( https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/master...btcdrak:sequenceandcsv

    - meeting conclusion

    Both implementations should stay separate pull-requests. 
    No use in deploying BIP 112 before BIP 68.


    Participants

    gmaxwell   Gregory Maxwell 
    dcousens   Daniel Cousens 
    sipa      Pieter Wuille 
    jgarzik      Jeff Garzik 
    morcos      Alex Morcos 
    Luke-Jr      Luke Dashjr 
    wumpus      Wladimir J. van der Laan 
    mcelrath   Bob McElrath   
    jtimon      Jorge Timón   
    jonasshnelli   Jonas Schnelli 
    btcdrak      btcdrak 
    petertodd   Peter Todd 
    dstadulis   Daniel Stadulis   
    dgenr8      Tom Harding   
    jeremyrubin    Jeremy Rubin 
    warren      Warren Togami 
    rusty      Rusty Russell 
    sdaftuar   Suhas Daftuar
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