But so much is predicated on that wiki definition. Once we allow that bitcoin hodlers are an insignificant part of "economic majority," it's no longer implicit that the miners' interests should [rationally] be aligned with those of the hodlers ("here's a few billion bucks, make BTC worthless" example). In a closed system, that type of attack makes no sense (miners paid in BTC, by debasing BTC they're simultaneously making their reward worthless), but open it to fiat...


Which rules would those be?

Well they don't pay me...its not even traded yet! of course I will be pumping it for grins and chuckles...

Still using the Goebbels approach, Zara?  ("repeat the lie so often that it becomes the truth")

Oh really? Well how very Heinrich Himmler of you. 

* is #REKT

Keep at it; not long now

No, bett.

*that-threatens-bitcoin is #REKT. Inherently.


That's another one from the Goebbels school, eh bett? Exaggerate your adversary's position out of all recognition... And I always thought you occupied the reasonable-middle-ground?  

I'm still here in the middle - perhaps you are so far off to one side that the middle doesn't look like the middle anymore!

The 'that-threatens-bitcoin' was implicit in my asterisk, because when people post these rekt statements they are opinions. I'd go further and say 'that-threatens-what-i-think-bitcoin-is'

But really that's missing the point. Which is that regardless of what someone thinks bitcoin is, posting about how everything that doesn't fit their view is automatically rekt is hyperbole.

These people post in such a way to suggest they think they *know* the future, when in fact that is impossible, because the future is uncertain. A statement in which someone claims to know the future is by definition a lie.

Posting that statement repeatedly is exactly what you described when you said "repeat the lie so often that it becomes the truth"

You could accuse me of the same thing "Keep at it; not long now" could allude to me thinking that one particular outcome is foregone conclusion, but it could also just be that I think that a resolution either way could be coming soon. The crowd will decide what they decide

I think that somewhat similarly you are very careful about what you post. I think you recognise that publicly stating extreme views only alienates the undecided. Adam back does great job of that too and as a result I've spent a lot more mind time on understanding his point of view. Its tricky though because although nobody will acknowledge it (because that weakens the credibility - so in doing so I am taking that hit), the reality is that sometimes charged debates (such as blocksize limit) become about debating and the relative merits of the positions can sometimes play second fiddle to this. In that respect Back is a huge asset for the small block camp, because he does know how to play that game. Small wonder he is in the position he is in!

You can all now go ahead and pretend I'm crazy for suggesting that is the case (and in doing so confirm it to be true)

Anyway thats kind of a meta argument, what I was getting to is that here:


I think you dropped the ball. You're stating the community has rejected all three of the alternatives, admittedly XT is not very popular and so you could argue it has been 'rejected' (for now).

Unlimited - its out there right now its really only early days, but you are stating that it has been rejected? I'd say we are in opinion territory here.

Classic - its not even been released yet. So here you cannot possibly say it has been rejected by the community, but you have. The "In reality" makes it really hard for you to argue that you weren't presenting this as fact.

So whilst you haven't specifically said "classic is #rekt", you kinda have. Which puts you amongst the ice'n'brgs and hdbuck's of the thread, and I'm definitely not exaggerating their position!

enlighten me gentlemen, is the war over? I keep reading that core developers demand peace, but I disagree. We must continue until we annihilate the "big blocks" camp, there is no room for compromise.



This is a major threat to the survival of Bitcoin and politically correctness is thus irrelevant. 1 MB blocks.

I see what you did there.