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"Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:07:53 PM

Again we have another "we must increase the block size ASAP" fork crap - under the most stupid name "Bitcoin Classic".

It's a "classic" alright - a "classic attempt to FUD people into letting a small bunch of wannabe Bitcoin overlords take over the project".

The blocks are not even nearly full most of the time (apart from attacks which are just spam being used to fill up the mempool for FUD reasons).

The reason that people don't use Bitcoin for normal txs is "why the hell would they?".

Even if a vendor were to offer a cheaper price for paying in BTC you still have to change your fiat into BTC to purchase from them (and then most likely BitPay or another provider is going to take at least 1% commission).

If you don't purchase your BTC via an exchange (and no average person is going to do that to just buy something) then most likely you are going to pay at least 5% commission - so if you are ending up with 6% commission - did you save anything from using a credit card?

Also you can't get a refund if you pay with BTC - so the masses are not screaming to pay with BTC at all (far from it - if it cannot be reversed then I suspect 99% of people would not want to use it as certainly every person I have spoken to does not like the idea).

Can we stop with the FUD and let the project just continue to improve the tech?

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:18:23 PM

So - big block fans - where are the signatures of the clearly tens (or hundreds) of thousands of frustrated wannabe Bitcoin users that are only not using it because of the block size?

Of course there are none - the only people complaining about it are the payment processors hoping to get rich and those that are wanting to take control of the project.

It is good that Mike Hearn has left - but we still need Gavin to leave as well IMO (as he is not giving up trying to take over the project as is obvious from his quick change from XT to Classic).

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:24:53 PM

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 18, 2016, 05:23:45 PM

Funniest extortion attempt ever? Not you too?!? Cry

Extortion attempt?

Huh?

(exactly what I am trying to extort?)

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:31:01 PM

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 18, 2016, 05:28:04 PM

Sorry. That's just what I call you.

I see - you just like to call people things (I believe there are names for people like you but I'll refrain from saying them).

How about you try and just stay on topic and stop with the snide remarks (or is that too much to ask)?

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:31:54 PM

I am going to respond to one of the OP's post, because he has a excellent point and I agree with him 100% on this. I know he hates signature posters and I am most probably on his

shit list, but I am going to ask in any way. Has anyone scrutinized the new proposal to see if any strange code has been added, like they tried with the XT proposal. {I refer to the

IP Blocking & options for tx reversal and blacklisting of coins } I still think he {Gavin} just opted for the middle ground on this whole debate, because it was the most popular option

to get his foot in the door. Things will then evolve from there to work towards a so-called hostile takeover. Angry

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:35:00 PM

I remember clearly the whole BIP 16 vs BIP 17 thing where Gavin attacked Luke-Jr with this topic: https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/62037.0

This was the point that I lost respect for Gavin - attacking someone the way he did then just proved that he was not at all like Satoshi (show me any post where Satoshi behaved like that).

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 18, 2016, 05:28:04 PM

On-topic: There's no neutral position here. Replace-by-fee Bitcoin isn't Bitcoin, either. The whole world is about to change!

RBF is optional.
Block size is not.

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:41:40 PM

Quote from: Kprawn on January 18, 2016, 05:31:54 PM

Has anyone scrutinized the new proposal to see if any strange code has been added, like they tried with the XT proposal. {I refer to the

IP Blocking & options for tx reversal and blacklisting of coins }

How many more times?

Quote from: DooMAD on January 17, 2016, 10:35:07 PM

Quote from: rokkyroad on January 17, 2016, 10:12:47 PM

Anyone find any hidden gems in the Classic code like "blacklisting"?

The code everyone was soiling themselves over last time is actually present in Bitcoin core's repository too, so any node could be running it right now regardless of the client they elect to use. It's not "blacklisting" per se and it's definitely not unique to XT. So yeah, you probably will find that code in Classic, because it's in Core too.

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:42:50 PM

It isn't the code that is the issue - it is the hostile takeover that is.

Clearly Mike was not as good at politics as Gavin so he tried to stuff in other changes (especially after XT was DDoS attacked).

Gavin has cleverly now gone with something that only changes the one thing (but more importantly puts him back in charge - after they take over who knows what will happen).

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:43:47 PM

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Quote from: forevernoob on January 18, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 18, 2016, 05:28:04 PM

On-topic: There's no neutral position here. Replace-by-fee Bitcoin isn't Bitcoin, either. The whole world is about to change!

RBF is optional.
Block size is not.

Optional in the sense that its very existence will change Bitcoin forever??

Forgive my petulance and oft-times, I fear, ill-founded criticisms, and forgive me that I have, by this time, made your eyes and head ache with my long letter. But I cannot forgo hastily the pleasure and pride of thus conversing with you.

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:44:15 PM

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Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 18, 2016, 05:28:04 PM

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On-topic: There's no neutral position here. Replace-by-fee Bitcoin isn't Bitcoin, either. The whole world is about to change!

In the light of a serious discussion, what exactly is not bitcoin about opt-in rbf?

Im not really here, its just your imagination.

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:44:26 PM

#12

what is your problem with a bitcoin fork?
i think its the best way to decide blockchain related questions.

it may create a little confusion but that wont last long.

IMHO its the only way to decide such problems for once and forever without having FUDs later.

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:46:26 PM

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If Bitcoin Classic wins then Gavin is going to be the "benevolent dictator" (which I think has always been his desire).

Do you want him as the overlord?

I guess that is the question (personally I am happier with the Bitcoin Core team as it stands).

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:50:27 PM

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Quote from: onemorexmr on January 18, 2016, 05:44:26 PM

Both are forking anyway, thats hardly the point. Classic is going for a hardfork while core has a softfork ahead.

Im not really here, its just your imagination.

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:50:34 PM

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Quote from: CIYAM on January 18, 2016, 05:46:26 PM

in case classic classic wins and gavin would act as a benevolent dictator it would just lead to another fork which fixes it.

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:50:59 PM

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Quote from: CIYAM on January 18, 2016, 05:46:26 PM

Personally, I feel much safer at Blockstream's maternal bosom.

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:52:15 PM

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Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 18, 2016, 05:43:47 PM

Quote from: forevernoob on January 18, 2016, 05:40:31 PM

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 18, 2016, 05:28:04 PM

On-topic: There's no neutral position here. Replace-by-fee Bitcoin isn't Bitcoin, either. The whole world is about to change!

RBF is optional.
Block size is not.

Optional in the sense that its very existence will change Bitcoin forever??

You mean Bitcoin Classics existence would change Bitcoin?
Like XT did? Wink

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:52:47 PM

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Quote from: CuntChocula on January 18, 2016, 05:50:59 PM

Personally, I feel much safer at Blockstream's maternal bosom.

The core devs do not all work for Blockstream - perhaps you'd like to actually say the % of them that do?

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:55:15 PM

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Quote from: CIYAM on January 18, 2016, 05:52:47 PM

Quote from: CuntChocula on January 18, 2016, 05:50:59 PM

Personally, I feel much safer at Blockstream's maternal bosom.

The core devs do not all work for Blockstream - perhaps you'd like to actually say the % of them that do?

Perhaps I'm misinformed. G.Maxwell is the CTO of __________?

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Re: "Bitcoin Classic" is a classic attempt at a hostile takeover

January 18, 2016, 05:57:02 PM

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Wow, old time Bitcoin hardliners are waking up. Well, that took long enough.

I've been saying for about four years that the Bitcoin economy only exists to give miners someplace to spend their mined coins. When that stops there won't be any economy unless something drastic happens. Before the government crackdown people would buy btc to spend on illegal onion network contraband. Now that's over. Does anyone really think people are wasting time buying Bitcoin to transfer a few bucks overseas or buy a gallon of milk? Surely no one here is really that naive.

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