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    January 24, 2016, 10:59:20 AM
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    I was just thinking about setting up a node in order to "vote" for bitcoin unlimited, my favourite solution in the blocksize debate. As I can see here seems like very few people are running a full node, I can't understand why. I read instructions on https://bitcoin.org/en/full-node , but I can't understand some things:

    - I have roughly 6 mbit/s for download and 0.8 for upload, will it suffice? Will my connection still be usable for surfing etc?
    - how much hours/day have my node to be running to be considered an active node?
    -can I run more than one node?

    Why less than 500 people are running a node different from core?
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    January 24, 2016, 11:08:52 AM
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    Quote from: erre on January 24, 2016, 10:59:20 AM
    I was just thinking about setting up a node in order to "vote" for bitcoin unlimited, my favourite solution in the blocksize debate. As I can see here seems like very few people are running a full node, I can't understand why. I read instructions on https://bitcoin.org/en/full-node , but I can't understand some things:

    - I have roughly 6 mbit/s for download and 0.8 for upload, will it suffice? Will my connection still be usable for surfing etc?

    It will take a while until you have cought up, but it should be enough to hold 8 connections to the network. You might have to turn the node off if you do other things that need a high bandwith (e.g. video steaming).

    Quote from: erre on January 24, 2016, 10:59:20 AM
    - how much hours/day have my node to be running to be considered an active node?

    Depends on who you ask. Some say if you dont accept at least 100 connections from the outside (slightly exaggerated) you are not even running a full node or only "leech" the network. I think its nonsense. Every node helps, even if you only run it for a few hours a day.

    Quote from: erre on January 24, 2016, 10:59:20 AM
    -can I run more than one node?

    Yes, but they would share the already little bandwith you have so it makes no sense to do so.

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    Why less than 500 people are running a node different from core?

    Other implementations are unpopular among node operators.
    Im not really here, its just your imagination.

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    January 24, 2016, 11:12:55 AM
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    Thank you for your responses.

    So, essentially, more bandwidth = more votes, is it right?
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    January 24, 2016, 11:28:39 AM
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    Quote from: erre on January 24, 2016, 11:12:55 AM
    Thank you for your responses.

    So, essentially, more bandwidth = more votes, is it right?

    no

    more bandwidth = better user experience and less lag in your connection.. for your one bitcoin program node

    if you run more then one node yourself. then only 1 IP address would be classed as a vote, and you could be deemed as trying a sybil attack by doing multiple nodes. afterall why run 2 BU on one computer?

    what we dont want is people faking usage.. by having multiple implementations opened purely for vote rigging.
    the best thing i can advise you is to talk to others you know and explain to them why you think they should run a full node too. that way if they need or want to run a full node, then atleast that is more fair compared to one person running 10 nodes
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    January 24, 2016, 11:32:04 AM
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    i was thinking what if a guy hold the majority of the node(that does not share the same network, but they are placed all around the world) and thus he can control the majority of the votes, and basically kill the consensus

    is this even possible assuming that this guy exist?maybe i'm missing something, but it appear to be very doable if you have the money...i know it's not so different than having the majority of the farms, but instead of doing a 51% to the network, you control it with all your nodes

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    January 24, 2016, 11:37:17 AM
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    Quote from: Amph on January 24, 2016, 11:32:04 AM
    i was thinking what if a guy hold the majority of the node(that does not share the same network, but they are placed all around the world) and thus he can control the majority of the votes, and basically kill the consensus

    is this even possible assuming that this guy exist?maybe i'm missing something, but it appear to be very doable if you have the money...i know it's not so different than having the majority of the farms, but instead of doing a 51% to the network, you control it with all your nodes

    Thats the sybil attack franky1 was talking about.

    -> http://www.coindesk.com/chainalysis-ceo-denies-launching-sybil-attack-on-bitcoin-network/
    -> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Sybil_attack
    Im not really here, its just your imagination.

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    January 24, 2016, 12:20:52 PM
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    Quote from: Amph on January 24, 2016, 11:32:04 AM
    i was thinking what if a guy hold the majority of the node(that does not share the same network, but they are placed all around the world) and thus he can control the majority of the votes, and basically kill the consensus

    is this even possible assuming that this guy exist?maybe i'm missing something, but it appear to be very doable if you have the money...i know it's not so different than having the majority of the farms, but instead of doing a 51% to the network, you control it with all your nodes

    BTCC announced last month that they were setting up 100 nodes across 5 continents
    http://www.coindesk.com/press-releases/btcc-deploys-100-full-bitcoin-nodes-across-five-continents/

    it is do-able.. but if BTCC suddenly wanted to do 5000 nodes.. thats a 100% sybil attack rather than a 2% right now

    and if a 100% sybil attack got choosy about what miners it will communicate to.. then it can cause issues, mostly to themselves. but it could ripple down to affect others who do not get data from other non sybil nodes/miners.

    thats why its best to make sure your node is receiving data from many sources and many different implementation versions rather than sheep following 1 implementation. that way if one implementation is nefarious.. their attempt would be orphaned
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    January 24, 2016, 12:53:45 PM
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    We have some spare bandwidth at work after hours which we never use. I configured a few nodes at a training centre and I run them after hours to help the

    network. I am a partner in the business and the bandwidth is not capped, so it's not a problem. I have run it during working hours and it's still not taking up

    a lot of the bandwidth and speed, but I'd rather keep it running after hours. I guess the people with good internet infrastructure has an advantage over the

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    January 24, 2016, 01:03:43 PM
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    I'm running a bitseed v2 bitcoin node (probably paid 75 bucks more then I could have built one but was lazy)

    I have a static ip from spectrum (charter) at 60 mbps so I see no lag with like 50 connections on it

    I don't download or stream movies etc so results may vary

    currently my vote is the 'default' 'bitcoin core' but that could change

    will probably put up a litecoin node to on a pi...just for the heck of it

    currently mining 2 knc titan scrypt miners..when they go doorstop will like to contribute something yet to the networks.....

    have to have some frigging 'blinking' LCD's in the basement to slow the " home miner withdrawl" Sad

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