They are the ones who can legally and easily corrupt government, oups I meant "lobbying" ...

Belgium has no capital gains tax and has very high taxes on everything else (inheritance, labour, savings interest, cars, ...)

That sucks dude, but then again, that's kinda what you get for trying to evade taxes   At least, if that's what you were doing.  Nothing wrong with paying taxes.

well did you people asked yourselfs why Grecia and others,Portugal,Spain and more will come are facing economic problems?Who rule the country ,politicians are making this mess up with economy stealling what a worker pay to self benefict,im pissed we need to clean them all and put economist lets say there are over 500 politicians at each country getting around 4000 up to 50000euros montly... why they earn such thing ?some years ago this same politicians didnt earned such...and no one wanna be ,now all wanna be politician to earn doing nothing besides fuck the worker sorry the word....I dont understand why people keeps voting they should stop it when they know that politician cant run a country ,in my region the hospital hasnt material to work,water miss around 9 days in a month..and the best thing is there is the city is surrounded by mountains .....and there is material to put already but those bastards politicians are waiting elections to make it happen... meanwhile population can survive the way we are ..

A private charity system does not work, which has been proven and demonstrated in the 1800's where the poor largely depended on large company owners and religious institutions to come to their aid.

Due to the human nature of the donor, he/she only wanted to give to certain poor who suited his vision of society. This gave way for all sorts of abuse by landowners and churches to try and convert people to live in model villages where for example alcohol was banned or they had to follow certain religious practises. Look up Port Sunlight in the UK and Boulder City in the USA. (Boulder City basically gave rise to the mobster run Las Vegas.)

Putting a large monolith like the state in charge of charging taxes and distributing it over a large part of the population according to policies set by elected politicians made wealth redistribution much more democratic and takes away the difficult choice on where to spend his charity away from the individual. Downside, a large institution has more overhead than the individual... but:

Many of you would not have liked to live in the 1800's where some nutter in charge had the power of forcing you to dress a certain way, cut your hair, telling you to marry instead of living together in sin or prohibit you from having a drink of alcohol when you feel like it.

We enjoy living in a free, secular society and sometimes forget there is a price to pay for a democratic system does does not discriminate against colour, religious choice, choice of sexual orientation, freedom of enterprise, ... Heck even sitting at home ranting on Internet forums all day ;-)

So, basic taxes are fine, too much overhead makes too high taxes and that is bad... find a middle ground

If there is this abundance of 'free money' around, then why are the poor still struggling? Is the 'man' keeping them down? Come on...

Is a charity going to fund all elementary schools in the USA? Then why are all these schools still suffering from being underfunded?

Charities are a nice way to soothe your conscience, make you feel good you did something for the climate, animals or a small school in Guatemala but it's not a way to address the vast needs of a large population. Not at the level tax payers money is doing today.

No elementary schools would be private and for profit. Yes you would pay 50-60$ daily fee or whatever to teach your kids + meal, but it would be worth it, given that private kindengardens are good.

I was just in a state kindengarden lately and it crawls with bugs and the walls are full of mold. Is that how you care for the children?

A private school/kindengarden is clean that you can eat from the toilet, and it has very nice interior architecture, and disciplined workers (who have went under background checks).

Of course we need to stop being robbed and then people could afford this kind of luxury.


It is really hard to save money and spend for these stuff when the fiat money loses 40% of its value in 5-10 years 


Its is the same thing.

Do you even have children? No parent can afford spending USD 1250 month on child education on top of all the other costs they incur...
My 4 children would cost me over USD 8M until they are 18... Did you even do the math?

It would be an effective way of dealing with the planet's overpopulation, of course ;-)

We have income dependant child care, for example we pay EUR 1.56 day but high income families pay up to EUR 27.72 day. This cost is of course tax deductible. (Note: high income, not high net worth: there is a minimum of EUR 5 day but if you can prove you have low or no income you can get an exception and the fee is lowered to EUR 1.56 day)


That's what you get for living in a banana republic... You know there are better places to live with higher standard of living, like Europe? I can guarantee you that here for both private and public schools and kindergartens, the same high standards are applied (checked and enforced of course at the expense of our hard working tax money) and that the only bugs my children eat are found in the nice play garden behind the school. The professionally trained and certified staff has a maximum of 7 children to take care of as a maximum and needs to present a clean certificate of good conduct which is more rigorous than the one you need to get every year to own a gun.

European governments spend vast amounts of money on children's health, day care and education because we need them as future tax payers and organ donors... we need fresh blood to keep the ponzi scheme running.

Anyways, no need to continue this conversation in this thread, it's getting off topic and you are obviously trying to make up numbers and facts to prove your point.

bla bla more name calling but nothing to show for. You talk much but where is the beef? You claim to be a capitalist (do you run a large company with many employees and have invested in others?) that would be doing so much charity if it wasn't for the government stealing from you, right?

So how much do you spend in $USD year on charity? Probably not much, because the government steals all your profit. Kind of the chicken and the egg. Buying a copy of the Big Issue on the subways does not count...

OK let's turn it around, so you have no money to spend on charity, but how much time do you volunteer? Do you put your money where your mouth is? Do you go around painting those moldy day care centers? Work in a soup kitchen? Give IT training to homeless? Help organize refugee centers for Syrians crossing the border?

Or is it academic capitalism your practise?

I live in a country with over 60% income tax and 21% VAT, that leaves me 19% of what is earned to spend. Yes, I realize more than you how hazardous big taxes are.


I don't want everybody to be equal. I don't believe in communism, where did you get that idea? Are you throwing around random terms to do some name calling? Don't confuse communism and socialism... Are you one of those people who thinks the C in CCCP stood for Commi? (Coциaлиcтичecкиx stands for socialist... )

I work for a large organisation founded in 1863 in Geneva and they deploy people in their specific field of expertise, if you can manage a team of 60 people to take on a large disaster at an event with 70k people, you will not be running around with a stretcher. You will get a vest with 4 bars on your shoulders and a radio. Why would somebody with the skills of a nuclear physicist be peeling potatoes?

I don't believe in any kind of utopia, but I do believe in a just society where everybody contributes according to their means (so fair taxes and less waste)


Sigh... and you wonder why people don't take your rants seriously..

Where are the days of Atlas in 2011 on Bitcointalk?