Can anyone confirm that they've been able to deposit byteball into bittrex today? i sent mine couple hours ago and wallet says confirm but nothing on exchange.

You're right! Tony is entirely for the sake of dreams, for a great product!

That ICO did not trigger demand for Gbyte so far and the price is in further fall. All wanna bitcoin.  But lets keep a hope.

I could say the same about yours. No, I do say the same about yours in the very first sentence. And you didn't need to quote my entire post if you weren't going to offer any substantive response.


You're going to have to rephrase your post because all I'm getting from it is someone who was hurt by whale manipulation early on or has an issue with people being rich and, as they usually do, getting richer.


Perhaps but in this case it's, IMHO, clearly clouding your judgement.

How long can it take to write yes or no 2x?

I will check back later and hopefully see two straight answers yes or no.

I suspect I will see a lot of flowery explanations/excuses/philosophical poems and no straight answers.

If you have cause for moaning, because the performance of Byteball or you sitting on a load of GBytes, check out the ICO offer (see white paper).

Disclaimer:
This is not an advertisement, just a friendly hint. Everyone is responsible for their own decisions

What a fascinating use of space.


Riiiight, it's "faux confusion".

Feeling insecure are we?


Don't ask loaded questions and think I'll answer it to fit your tiny little boxes.


Also, "you as a btc [guppy] are able to claim [guppy] shares in byteball for free with no risk to your own btc". Not every one is equal, tough luck. Perhaps it's you that does not understand how it went down.


That is a fascinating tangent. A trainee politician? Hmm, is a relative of yours that?

As for expanding on my answer, it needs no further explanation. It's a self-evident fact that was subtly dished out to me a couple of months ago in their slack (rudely I should add). And if you browse further back through this thread to around the time it was announced the October airdrop would be suspended, you'll see almost entire pages of said fact reiterated.


I am. After all, I'm in Tony's head.  

And you're ofc free to scrap everything before the "no" part.


I was suggesting, and I quote, "all I'm getting from it is someone who was hurt by whale manipulation early on or has an issue with people being rich and, as they usually do, getting richer". If that's too hard for your brain to parse let me break it down:

* "someone who was hurt by whale manipulation early on" - when you started in crypto you probably got manipulated into selling (or buying) by a whale. Weak-hands and such.

* "has an issue with people being rich and, as they usually do, getting richer" - this should be self explanatory. You certainly won't be the first to pop into this thread wailing about rich people getting richer.


Educational works?

And as to what you assume I was saying, it's funny how I alluded to the exact opposite 2 pages ago before you decided to go on your "btc whales!!!" witch hunt. You might wanna try reading sometime.


You would make some sense if you weren't complaining about something that exists entirely in your head.


You sure about that?

@ coiner

Ah I hear more speculation on my motives and BTC history of course all totally incorrect. Yet no real explanation. Only that you have a strange sense of what is fair. Because of one shared rule it seems that makes it fair to you. I'm sorry but there is more complexity to life than that.

Let me try and give some assistance off of the top of my head....

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2 people land on a desert island from a ship wreck you and my good self.

I find a box with 20 cans of food inside... yummy

You find a box containing 1 can of food.


A ship comes a month later and the captain says how have you guys survived. You look a bit fucked up but he is polite and does not mention I am better looking and in far better shape. He initially puts this down to better genetics/breeding etc

I tell them I found a box with 20 cans of food in and these were big cans of very nutritious food (nom nom nom)

You whisper in a croaky feminine voice you barely survived because you only  found a box with 1 can of food in .and it was digusting (oh dear )

Captain says - he will bring us food regularly (but wont rescue us on his boat for some reason, doesn't like the look of you but does not want to be unfair)

He says the fairest way is if I get 20 cans of food each month and you get 1. After all that is what we had before right.

I mean its a simple rule that applies to us both so must be fair right. I mean how can it not be fair we both get the same cans of food we found earlier. I get 20 cans a month you get 1 can a month. We are not paying for them. We get them for free right

Why are you moaning about this? why are you dying of starvation on purpose ? what is your motive here i'll speculate you're like greedy and selfish and want every can of food in the world for yourself and just generally an unpleasant fellow. Probably just against people with 20 cans of food like me. Don't like to see people with 20 cans of food getting another 20 cans every month do you. News flash this is how life works. It's fair.  I bet you were scammed once by some one with 20 cans of food in a supermarket car park or something. It has influenced your sense of fairness and made you bitter over time this has manifested into an irrational hatred for us 20 cans a month guys.

I wonder if that little story can assist you? I assure you it would if this happened for real. Although being fair i would give you some of my cans don't worry dude.
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Your english is nice. I like it. Your logic and sense of fair play not so much


So question 2. I agree with you.  There is no further need to discuss it. It was a bad move unless tony is in league or colluding with the other projects.


Question 1 is still a big issue for you.

You will never convince people that being a whale in BTC should automatically permit you to get a whale share in other alts for free with no risk to their own whale stash of bitcoins.

Sorry that will not wash. Create a thread on the main board and poll so that I may see how you start to grasp that your version of fair is not fair.

Your logic tells you that since there is one shared rule for both parties whales and guppy that it makes it fair you are wrong.

Go ahead make a thread on the main board with a poll.

Should btc whales automatically be given the whale share in all new alt projects for free if everyone else can share the crumbs.

Come back and report your findings.

I suspect I will be getting a little story soon of my own to read. Please be more grown up and less bitchy than me thought else I will refuse to read it. Certainly do not say you are better looking or in better shape because my ego can not take it and  plagiarism is the lowest form of flattery.

I gave many small tweaks that would have made it much fairer and much more sensible ie not funding competing projects and not being able to fund our own without halting the full moon distributions.

The only fair way to launch a project in a trustless decentralised way is fair launch protocol POW.

However a retro spective snapshot with top 2-5 % of wallets chopped would have helped a lot. The first distribution was where the most damage was done. If you can tell me how that could be gamed then I will admit it is not a good solution. Never forget though even if things make it difficult for gaming it is worth doing. You lock your doors when you leave home right but I can smash the windows or drive a lorry through the walls to obtain access. Does not mean it is not worth locking your door right. You don't leave it open and a sign saying please rob me do you?

I would actually have more of an issue thinking up a worse way to distribute in terms of perceived fairness and dev funding.

Think clearly about what you are saying.

Being a btc whale now should give you automatic rights to being a whale in every new alt  for free with no risk to your btc. That notion is ludicrous.

Also this point

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it doesnt sound fair but is it fair today that $7300 gets you 1btc where 6 years ago it got you like 10,000 btc?

also if all the people sold gb and 1 person bought it all up is that fair? should everyone buying all get a piece at that price?

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this has no bearing on the point i am making this is simply market forces which are fair.

if a person with no btc buys a bitcoin today they pay 7300 dollars
if a bit coin whale buys bitcoin today it costs him 7300 dollars

to me that is totally fair.

that is why a fair ico (with no behind the scenes manipulation) is fair.


If people chose to sell all of their GB and 1 person bought it all and charged 100x prices to sell it that is fair.

these are not the same thing at all.

I am not anti rich.

In real life the rich get richer. That is fine. Mostly though you will find rich people are generally smarter and take risks but calculated smart risks to keep getting richer and richer. They make investments where they risk wealth to attain more wealth. They don't just get rights to huge amounts of everything and don't need to pay for it.... well they do but that isn't fair when that happens is it?

I guess fair is perspective based experience although what is grossly unfair can usually attain consensus within a bunch of homo sapiens.

Okay you seem more reasonable and I believe you are genuine in what you are saying.

chopping 2-5% of top wallets wont work. you have to announce prior to be open transparent for accountability. scripts run can split payments. this is what i mean there is holes in every way.

I personally do not believe that not announcing to  the super rich will not get richer for free is as bad as what happened. Not by a long way. They would probably have more shame than even to complain about it. Sorry they should understand they have enough already.

Also what about a max payment to any individual address not announced before time?

Ok announce a few mins before let them scurry around breaking up all their wallets then linking them all up ... let them try that.

These are not perfect but they are a vast improvement upon what happened to me anyway.

Remember we still lock our doors even though people can gain access to our home if they really want. No points saying it can still be gamed let them try and work to game it don';t just hand it over to them with no hassle or stress for them.

The rich wanting to get richer well make them work for it splitting up their address and all the rest of the hassle make them work for it at least.

I suggested some one as smart as tony could easily think of something even better if we need to use btc as some kind of vehicle.


A short POW phase of a few months is not going to really make that much difference (electricity advantage speaking i mean the hardware is roughly the same cost everywhere so that balances it out quite a bit and for short phase equipment is by far a larger factor) on a gpu only minable coin with fair launch protocol and fast scaling diff. Really the difference in electricity cost is not going to even be close to not even close to the advantage given to whales in this method.


Any short duration , capped or unadvertised icos are scams.

Ico should be widely advertised, long duration and open ended.

POW with fair launch protocol is the best way to launch a trustless decentralised project. Both ltc and btc did not have fast enough scaling dif and anti instamine measures really.