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    March 23, 2023, 10:01:11 AM
     #2881
    any updates?

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    March 23, 2023, 01:00:50 PM
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    Quote from: crewdede on March 23, 2023, 10:01:11 AM
    any updates?
    update about what? ChipMixer was seized by US gov, They didn't decide to stop voluntarily so all the updates you may hear is has the owner been arrested or not? And what will happen to people who used or advertised the service?

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    March 23, 2023, 01:14:49 PM
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    Interestingly, a lot of Chipmixer clone pages still exist, and were not part of this investigation. one might think that it is a selective fight against the illegal use of mixing services, But this is not correct (I guess).
    Just find some of them:
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    March 23, 2023, 01:31:46 PM
    Last edit: March 23, 2023, 02:36:01 PM by LeGaulois
     #2884
    Quote from: examplens on March 23, 2023, 01:14:49 PM

    Because they're not accused of money laundering like Chipmixer is. They perfectly know these sites are just carbon copies to lure people.
    They're not big enough to interest any 3 letters agency. Now if they come to discover they successfully scamed a thousand of people with a few thousands millions of dollars, it will be another story.

    These sites will not disappear as long as the traffic keeps coming. At the very least, there might be one or two who will say "oh shit, I can be next" but I'd be very surprised. Scammers know they risk almost nothing.

    Quote from: hugeblack on March 23, 2023, 01:00:50 PM
    update about what?

    LOL, the same thing I was thinking. But he perfectly knows there is none, since he participates in different topics on this matter.
    If there had been a news item, we would have talked about it and he would have read it
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    March 23, 2023, 06:43:47 PM
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    Quote from: examplens on March 23, 2023, 01:14:49 PM
    Interestingly, a lot of Chipmixer clone pages still exist, and were not part of this investigation. one might think that it is a selective fight against the illegal use of mixing services, But this is not correct (I guess).

    To what extent are these clone sites not scam? They must all be...  Roll Eyes
    This is already another type of department that deals with these cases. That as long as they don't receive complaints they shouldn't do much.

    If they're not scam, it's like @LeGaulois commented, they're not big enough for them to spend time investigating. They will just be monitoring and nothing more.
     
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    March 24, 2023, 11:54:32 AM
     #2886
    Quote from: LeGaulois on March 23, 2023, 01:31:46 PM
    Quote from: examplens on March 23, 2023, 01:14:49 PM

    Because they're not accused of money laundering like Chipmixer is. They perfectly know these sites are just carbon copies to lure people.

    They seized chipmixer.io although he was never part of the original chipmixer service. If they already did a detailed investigation, they had to investigate everything, even if it was fake sites (which are illegal in every sense). therefore, they only partially did their work.
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    March 24, 2023, 12:02:17 PM
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    What you should also consider is, that the law enforcement can lie about the data to spread panic!
    So far nobody was arrested. If they really have the data, why should they publish that they have it? If they actually have it it would be much wiser to keep quiet until you can actually make the arrests.

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    March 24, 2023, 12:25:38 PM
     #2888
    Quote from: joker_josue on March 23, 2023, 06:43:47 PM
    Quote from: examplens on March 23, 2023, 01:14:49 PM
    Interestingly, a lot of Chipmixer clone pages still exist, and were not part of this investigation. one might think that it is a selective fight against the illegal use of mixing services, But this is not correct (I guess).

    To what extent are these clone sites not scam? They must all be...  Roll Eyes
    This is already another type of department that deals with these cases. That as long as they don't receive complaints they shouldn't do much.

    If they're not scam, it's like @LeGaulois commented, they're not big enough for them to spend time investigating. They will just be monitoring and nothing more.

    Classic half-measures by the Feds Roll Eyes
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    March 24, 2023, 12:37:41 PM
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    Quote from: hZti on March 24, 2023, 12:02:17 PM
    What you should also consider is, that the law enforcement can lie about the data to spread panic!
    So far nobody was arrested. If they really have the data, why should they publish that they have it? If they actually have it it would be much wiser to keep quiet until you can actually make the arrests.

    They want people to panic so they can trace who is taking action to hide their coins from being traced, they have not made an arrest because it's too early to do that, they have caught a big fish and it has all the keys to trace and chase these criminals.
    It's not even been a month their top priority is to catch Nguyen, then they can go after to other criminals once they arrest him he will open a pandora and they can start from that.
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    Quote from: hZti on March 24, 2023, 12:02:17 PM
    What you should also consider is, that the law enforcement can lie about the data to spread panic!
    So far nobody was arrested. If they really have the data, why should they publish that they have it? If they actually have it it would be much wiser to keep quiet until you can actually make the arrests.

    this used in war, you announce that you have many weapons and that you are going to take place X, Y and Z or else that you are conquering a lot of ground and that the enemy is being forced to retreat because he is losing a lot of military material. with that announcement the enemy starts to lose focus, spends more time thinking about whether the other side is really speaking the truth or not, and everything gets worse when it gets worse when you have little military equipment and few men to fight while your enemy is announcing that he has 4x or 5x amount of military equipment and 10x amount of men to fight.

    with that in my opinion in the case of ChipMixer.com the authorities announced that they seized many bitcoins, servers and revealed the identity of the owner of ChipMixer.com, they did that which is precisely so that anyone close to the owner of ChipMixer.com will have afraid to deal with the owner of ChipMixer.com and turn him over to the police while the owner of ChipMixer.com will start to live in fear and isolated from people, which will eventually get mentally frayed and will make mistakes that will allow the police to arrest him .

    the police may have lied about the identity of the owner ChipMixer.com only to catch the real owner of ChipMixer.com now that the police have made the announcement, it's a matter of time before they arrest the owner of ChipMixer. with

    What I can't figure out is how can the police prove that the owner of ChipMixer.com knew the origins of the transactions?

    governments will use this case as an example and will not give opportunity to make fair judgments based on proof and laws
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    March 24, 2023, 02:52:06 PM
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    I just remembered a story.

    If you think about Chipmixer with his paypal accounts, hosting paid with PP, Binance's account, etc...
    The same thing happened to Bitcoinfog to arrest the operator. He used Lyberty Reserve, a MtGox account with his real identity, etc.
    Bought hosting server with LR and BTC coming from MtGox.

    Almost exactly the same errors.

    (Old people, or a bit old, surely remember about Liberty Reserve?)

    Quote from: Slow death on March 24, 2023, 12:39:01 PM
    What I can't figure out is how can the police prove that the owner of ChipMixer.com knew the origins of the transactions?


    It doesn't really matter. The fact is they consider CM as a money transmitter under the Bank Secrecy Act and he hasn't registered with FinCen and so hasn't maintained an anti-money laundering and KYC compliance program. If he did, he would have knew the origins of the transactions

    Chipmixer: "I didn't know the origins"
    The USA: "You didn't know because you didn't follow the laws"

    (but good comparison with a war)

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    March 24, 2023, 02:57:30 PM
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    Quote from: Slow death on March 24, 2023, 12:39:01 PM
    What I can't figure out is how can the police prove that the owner of ChipMixer.com knew the origins of the transactions?

    They will accuse him of allowing or facilitating this whitewashing to work.

    Imagine that you have a bar, illegal gambling is played inside your home by some customers. The question now is do you ban this activity? No, then you can be considered an accomplice, even if you can't even identify the customers who participated in illegal gambling. You can say, that I didn't know who played. But, did you have any signs indicating that you were not authorized? When you found out, did you do anything to prevent it from happening again?

    With this example, I just want to say that there are many ways to make an accusation in these types of cases.

    But I believe that the problem of the alleged owner of ChipMixer will have more difficulty in defending himself, nor will it be the mixes he made, but the fact of using false identities.
     
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    March 24, 2023, 09:50:42 PM
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    Quote from: examplens on March 23, 2023, 01:14:49 PM
    Interestingly, a lot of Chipmixer clone pages still exist, and were not part of this investigation. one might think that it is a selective fight against the illegal use of mixing services, But this is not correct (I guess).
    Who knows, maybe they are running few of this fake CM websites, it's not the first time government would do something like that.

    Quote from: LeGaulois on March 24, 2023, 02:52:06 PM
    Almost exactly the same errors.
    It's almost looks like it's the same script with different actors, but I really don't trust whole story they presented in public, and I think they mixed (funny term) some truth with lot of speculations and fiction.

    Quote from: LeGaulois on March 24, 2023, 02:52:06 PM
    If you seize a server, you have no choice to have data of something. And if you're a law enforcement why should you refuse to collect data...
    Unless you don't want to do your job...
    Main question for me now is what are law enforcement agencies going to do with all this seized Bitcoins.
    They can arbitrary decide that magically all this coins are not ''tainted'' anymore and they could sell them in auction or dump in some exchange.
    Does anyone have wallet addresses so we can track any potential movement before they release anything in public?
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    March 25, 2023, 08:02:27 AM
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    One aspect of this whole situation (and in future it would be a huge talking-point) would be the manner in which other than the owner/operator of Chipmixer, zero blame seems to have been put on those that facilitated the money laundering operation.

    For example, the hosting company where he used the servers. These servers were used for criminal activity to around $3 billion in money laundering yet no action was taken against them. The question of whether they were responsible in-part even by ignorance is one that can be asked by agencies. In the end they are a hosting company and would not be interested in what was being hosted but legally there might be obligations on them too.

    If the servers were based in a country or jurisdiction where there is friction or conflict between them and the US government then the matter would most probably have more emphasis as being backed by various states with nefarious intentions. From what I read on the case, the only person of interest to the law enforcement agencies is the Chipmixer owner.

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    March 25, 2023, 08:19:40 AM
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    Quote from: dkbit98 on March 24, 2023, 09:50:42 PM
    Does anyone have wallet addresses so we can track any potential movement before they release anything in public?
    I counted them here, but didn't post the list. These are for instance all 0.128 BTC addresses that had their balance change that day:
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    March 25, 2023, 09:04:03 AM
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    Quote from: dkbit98 on March 24, 2023, 09:50:42 PM
    Main question for me now is what are law enforcement agencies going to do with all this seized Bitcoins.
    They can arbitrary decide that magically all this coins are not ''tainted'' anymore and they could sell them in auction or dump in some exchange.
    Does anyone have wallet addresses so we can track any potential movement before they release anything in public?

    Well that wouldn't be anything new. Apparently the German authorities are already doing this, with other coins seized.

    Note this article from Forbes (I don't know if I had already shared it here):
    Legal Money Laundering: How A German Bank Is Cleaning Tainted Bitcoin And Other Dirty Cryptos
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldelcastillo/2023/03/16/legal-money-laundering-how-a-german-bank-is-cleaning-tainted-bitcoin-and-other-dirty-cryptos/?sh=15fdad7c25de

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    March 25, 2023, 05:34:17 PM
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    Quote from: JollyGood on March 25, 2023, 08:02:27 AM
    One aspect of this whole situation (and in future it would be a huge talking-point) would be the manner in which other than the owner/operator of Chipmixer, zero blame seems to have been put on those that facilitated the money laundering operation.

    For example, the hosting company where he used the servers. These servers were used for criminal activity to around $3 billion in money laundering yet no action was taken against them. The question of whether they were responsible in-part even by ignorance is one that can be asked by agencies. In the end they are a hosting company and would not be interested in what was being hosted but legally there might be obligations on them too.

    If the servers were based in a country or jurisdiction where there is friction or conflict between them and the US government then the matter would most probably have more emphasis as being backed by various states with nefarious intentions. From what I read on the case, the only person of interest to the law enforcement agencies is the Chipmixer owner.

    Gosh.. that sounds scary JollyGood - that you seem to be advocating for even stronger and/or more rigorous and draconian Govt measures, and surely I am not anti-government, but whenever I see these kinds of cases, I become skeptical of the government story - and maybe part of my discomfort comes from their seemingly conflicting mandates of "protecting the public" while at the same time not disclosing too much about a case that is under investigation and/or that the seemingly target person (alleged wrongdoer) is still on the loose.
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    March 25, 2023, 08:38:14 PM
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    How are you JayJuanGee, it has been a long time. I hope you are well  Smiley

    The post was not intended to come across as advocating for more or less government control, my apologies if it was misconstrued. As for the official story as stated in the law enforcement case against the owner of Chipmixer, maybe the law enforcement agencies or other sources will provide information which goes further to explain what was happening.

    Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 25, 2023, 05:34:17 PM
    Gosh.. that sounds scary JollyGood - that you seem to be advocating for even stronger and/or more rigorous and draconian Govt measures, and surely I am not anti-government, but whenever I see these kinds of cases, I become skeptical of the government story - and maybe part of my discomfort comes from their seemingly conflicting mandates of "protecting the public" while at the same time not disclosing too much about a case that is under investigation and/or that the seemingly target person (alleged wrongdoer) is still on the loose.

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    March 25, 2023, 10:58:39 PM
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    Quote from: LoyceV on March 25, 2023, 08:19:40 AM
    I counted them here, but didn't post the list. These are for instance all 0.128 BTC addresses that had their balance change that day
    Do you know what is total amount of Bitcoin in those addresses?
    I think official report said that $46 million in cryptocurrency was seized, but I don't remember they ever said exact amount of Bitcoin they control now.
    With today value of Bitcoin that is around $46 million is around 1663 BTC.

    Quote from: joker_josue on March 25, 2023, 09:04:03 AM
    Well that wouldn't be anything new. Apparently the German authorities are already doing this, with other coins seized.
    I know this is nothing new, US government sold seized Bitcoin on auction several times, and I am sure other governments are doing the same thing.
    Something is ''tainet'' as long as they say it's tainted, what a stupid concept, and many people still believe in this crap.
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    March 26, 2023, 08:06:10 AM
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    Quote from: dkbit98 on March 25, 2023, 10:58:39 PM
    Do you know what is total amount of Bitcoin in those addresses?
    I think official report said that $46 million in cryptocurrency was seized, but I don't remember they ever said exact amount of Bitcoin they control now.
    It was in the news, just over 1900 BTC was seized.
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