The "dev" who launched Monero is thankful_for_today: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=233561

Thankfully when we (the current Monero core team) found the purposefully obfuscated code we immediately fixed it and made the fix freely available to all. This is what smooth means when he describes the Monero launch as fair. As dga says, at most thankful_for_today would've had a week of advantageous mining, but as our difficulty retargetting worked just fine and we didn't have crazy high initial block rewards there was very little that the scammer thankful_for_today could've made off with.

Note that these are all facts, directly observable by comparing increases in difficulty (ie. network hash rate) with the improved hashing code submitted to github. It does not require trust, it does not require anyone to take our word that coins have been sold or distributed, it is not based on hope. It is absolute, truthful, factual, verifiable by all.

We could have kept the fix to ourselves and just mined away, amassing a fat stash of XMR. We were under no obligation to release the code for a faster miner, we weren't even in a position of stewardship of the Monero project, we were just a bunch of enthusiasts. If we'd mined for a year with the improved miner we could easily have controlled 90% of the hash rate between us (the improved miner was 12x faster than the original) and mined several million XMR. We could've thrown a flashy GUI together, made wild promises of all sorts of stuff we were going to create (with screenshots) and slowly dumped our stash on an overexcited market.

The 7 members of the Monero core team could be USD millionaires today if we had done that. If I had to throw some numbers out, we'd probably have been able to accumulate around 5.5 million XMR, so 785 000 XMR each. At the current spot price thats only $345 000 for each of us, but since we'd be pumping out screenshots and other flashy nonsense I'm sure we'd be trading over 0.01 BTC, which would put our stash at a cool $1.73 million for each of us (and the total stash would be worth $12 million).

Something to think about.

If there is any bullying here, it is your "Goon squad" and "troll off" type comments.

Gliss presented three options and opened it for discussion (i.e. "until we can figure out a more appropriate solution"), which other than defensiveness, hostility, and thread derailing from Dash supporters has been reasonably constructive.

I recognize you would be very happy to shut down the discussion and have nothing done about disclosure of instamines. That much is obvious.

IMO, if coinmarketcap wanted to add something useful to identify potential investment risk for true proof-of-work coins, the current annual inflation rate for each coin should be calculated and displayed.

Because I don't know the official public launch time for Dash. There were several statedIf it was mined before et
When I asked you yesterday about the evidence you provided for a "premine", you said there was none.  You provided evidence of a instamine cloaked as a premine.  If the two are not the same why do you keep playing word games??

You are playing word games in an attempt to push your agenda.  This self fulfilling righteous witch hunt to rid crypto of scams and protect investors means nothing when you yourself cannot be honest in your intent.  The fact you continue to play these charades further proves you have no honest intent and you are not objective.  These actions are what turns your so called honest concerns into pure trolling.  You're only goal is to continue to bash dash in a feeble attempt to make monero some how look better.

I can think of several other coins, monero not one of those, right now that could and should be on your list but you only have your sights set on one.  If you were truly objective and worried about the safety of investors, why ignore the other coins with issues too?

What about coins like PPC where the rewards are automatically cut as the difficulty rises? There is no manipulation or changing of (the rules of) the parameters, but the mining is still pretty front-loaded in practice.

I don't see how you make an objective distinction between that and say BTC which is pre-programmed to cut in half every four years. Is it just a question of speed, or something else?

How is it a conflict to have something removed that is not accurate?  Smooth, you've publicly stated you don't feel premine is equal to instamine.  You acknowledge that dark/dash was never premined but yet you are perfectly ok with them assigning this incorrect status.  Why?

When I asked you yesterday about the evidence you provided for a "premine", you said there was none.  You provided evidence of a instamine cloaked as a premine.  If the two are not the same why do you keep playing word games??

You are playing word games in an attempt to push your agenda.  This self fulfilling righteous witch hunt to rid crypto of scams and protect investors means nothing when you yourself cannot be honest in your intent.  The fact you continue to play these charades further proves you have no honest intent and you are not objective.  These actions are what turns your so called honest concerns into pure trolling.  Your only goal is to continue to bash dash in a feeble attempt to make monero some how look better.

I can think of several other coins, monero not one of those, right now that could and should be on your list but you only have your sights set on one.  If you were truly objective and worried about the safety of investors, why ignore the other coins with issues too?

I don't think Smooth has any lack of interest in attacking other coins that come off as shady, or scammy, but Dash is a very big one, so it deserves more attention. Then there is the fact that there are often Dash trolls posting lies in the Monero thread....

For now, I feel it's best not to make any immediate changes to the filters.  If someone can come up with an objective and easily verifiable criteria for instamine that can be applied to all current and future mineable coins, I'll consider it.  Otherwise it's just going to be too much of a hassle to figure out how every new coin should get classified.

I can't figure out what Dash was because it didn't have a well-specified public launch time.

How can we tell if it was mined before its public launch if we can't figure out when that public launch was?