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    May 15, 2013, 02:15:51 AM
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    Quote from: pirate1 on May 15, 2013, 01:34:20 AM
    Got an answer to my e-mail.  They said the transaction from yesterday will go through but no more will from now on.  They did say no other customers were affected which sounds like campbx would still work.

    Seriously, why can't CampBX deal with a little bump in traffic...
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    May 15, 2013, 04:38:49 AM
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    Quote from: MPOE-PR on May 14, 2013, 10:22:37 PM
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    May 15, 2013, 04:53:01 AM
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    CampBX had posted in another thread saying that they weren't affected.
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    May 15, 2013, 05:07:36 AM
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    I emailed Gox support and they offered to cancel my transfer and refund the cash into my account.

    I guess I have to do a wire transfer now, but at least I didn't lose any money.
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    May 15, 2013, 05:56:52 AM
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    Quote from: flound1129 on May 15, 2013, 05:07:36 AM
    I emailed Gox support and they offered to cancel my transfer and refund the cash into my account.

    I guess I have to do a wire transfer now, but at least I didn't lose any money.

    Glad to hear they were able to respond so quickly as well.
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    May 15, 2013, 12:30:56 PM
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    On what authority can the dept of homeland security do this?

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    May 15, 2013, 12:48:50 PM
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    Quote from: afbitcoins on May 15, 2013, 12:30:56 PM

    On what authority can the dept of homeland security do this?

    Terrorism.  That's what they'll claim when they finally make a statement about this (If they ever do).
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    May 15, 2013, 01:06:35 PM
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    Quote from: stevegee58 on May 15, 2013, 12:48:50 PM
    Quote from: afbitcoins on May 15, 2013, 12:30:56 PM

    On what authority can the dept of homeland security do this?

    Terrorism.  That's what they'll claim when they finally make a statement about this (If they ever do).


    Ah yes how could i forget theres a war on 'terror'. Its to protect us apparently and definately not to be used as an excuse to remove our freedom and liberty. oh no no 

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    May 15, 2013, 02:55:48 PM
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    Is this a temporary or permanent type thing I wonder?

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    May 15, 2013, 05:19:36 PM
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    Quote from: stevegee58 on May 15, 2013, 12:48:50 PM
    Quote from: afbitcoins on May 15, 2013, 12:30:56 PM

    On what authority can the dept of homeland security do this?

    Terrorism.  That's what they'll claim when they finally make a statement about this (If they ever do).

    This Arstechnica article sheds more light on the reason.
    Apparently the feds consider MtGox to be a "money transmitter" without a license.

    Recall the recent flap about regulating the conversion of BTC to USD.  This is the first fallout from it.
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    May 15, 2013, 05:36:34 PM
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    Does this freeze apply to US Bank -> Dwolla -> MtGox transfers only? Or MtGox -> Dwolla -> US Bank transfers too? I ask because the wording in the email from Dwolla seems to indicate only the first: "real-time Dwolla-to-Dwolla payment to Mutum Sigillum LLC..". I initiated a MtGox -> Dwolla transfer yesterday having not heard about all of this, but I have not gotten an email from Dwolla, however nor have the funds appeared in my Dwolla account.

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    May 15, 2013, 05:39:54 PM
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    Dwolla said to contact Gox.  Some folks here have reported getting Gox to reverse the transfer and getting the funds back in Gox at least.
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    May 15, 2013, 06:33:16 PM
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    BTC withdrawals appear to not be working at Mt. Gox either. Decided to get out of Mt. Gox until this blows over...looks like I have no way to do that at the moment...

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    May 15, 2013, 08:09:53 PM
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    mt.gox does appear to be not (or really bad) reachable at all for a few hours now (502)..
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    May 15, 2013, 10:04:58 PM
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    Quote from: stevegee58 on May 15, 2013, 05:19:36 PM
    Quote from: stevegee58 on May 15, 2013, 12:48:50 PM
    Quote from: afbitcoins on May 15, 2013, 12:30:56 PM

    On what authority can the dept of homeland security do this?

    Terrorism.  That's what they'll claim when they finally make a statement about this (If they ever do).

    This Arstechnica article sheds more light on the reason.
    Apparently the feds consider MtGox to be a "money transmitter" without a license.

    Recall the recent flap about regulating the conversion of BTC to USD.  This is the first fallout from it.

    I guess the problem is their intermediary. MT Gox is a japanese company and operates in the US. It does not need to have any US licence whatsoever.

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    May 15, 2013, 10:10:19 PM
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    DHS are a bunch of fuckturd Nazis. Any idea how much they stole?
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    May 15, 2013, 10:11:59 PM
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    Quote from: Schrankwand on May 15, 2013, 10:04:58 PM
    Quote from: stevegee58 on May 15, 2013, 05:19:36 PM
    Quote from: stevegee58 on May 15, 2013, 12:48:50 PM
    Quote from: afbitcoins on May 15, 2013, 12:30:56 PM

    On what authority can the dept of homeland security do this?

    Terrorism.  That's what they'll claim when they finally make a statement about this (If they ever do).

    This Arstechnica article sheds more light on the reason.
    Apparently the feds consider MtGox to be a "money transmitter" without a license.

    Recall the recent flap about regulating the conversion of BTC to USD.  This is the first fallout from it.

    I guess the problem is their intermediary. MT Gox is a japanese company and operates in the US. It does not need to have any US licence whatsoever.

    If they are going to exchange US currency with people in the US (i.e. doing business within the US) then they do. Even if they are headquarted in Japan, by exchanging currency with the CI in maryland, they have also done business in maryland (and everywhere else in the USA by availing themselves there).
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    May 15, 2013, 10:13:32 PM
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    Quote from: Schrankwand on May 15, 2013, 10:04:58 PM
    I guess the problem is their intermediary. MT Gox is a japanese company and operates in the US. It does not need to have any US licence whatsoever.

    While technically true, ultimately, MtGox is trading USG-controlled USD.  USG is going to regulate USD gateways (and they are well within their rights to do so).  Anybody gatewaying USD will ultimately be bound by US laws.
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    May 16, 2013, 08:30:35 AM
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    Quote from: jgarzik on May 15, 2013, 10:13:32 PM
    Quote from: Schrankwand on May 15, 2013, 10:04:58 PM
    I guess the problem is their intermediary. MT Gox is a japanese company and operates in the US. It does not need to have any US licence whatsoever.

    While technically true, ultimately, MtGox is trading USG-controlled USD.  USG is going to regulate USD gateways (and they are well within their rights to do so).  Anybody gatewaying USD will ultimately be bound by US laws.



    Within US borders, yes. You don't think the chinese government, which owns a ton of USD gateways, is just going to be dictated terms, right?

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    May 16, 2013, 09:05:03 AM
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    Quote from: FloridaBear on May 15, 2013, 06:33:16 PM
    BTC withdrawals appear to not be working at Mt. Gox either. Decided to get out of Mt. Gox until this blows over...looks like I have no way to do that at the moment...

    Same here.  I can't get my meagre holdings out of mt.gox and they want my dox.  I'm guessing I should write my bitcoins off.

    Anyone have any more information about this? 

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