Shit just got real; crypto-rainbow has deleted all my posts in his self-moderated thread!
I will paste them below:
Guys...hold onto your DeepOnion, but not for long. Some bad news coming up in the near future unfortunately.
I thought DeepOnion was the creation of hard-at-work developers. It's not. I have the exact commit DeepOnion was forked from, and the exact changes they've done, and even where they've pulled other code from. Sad I've spent about 7 hours investigating this, and although a pain...I think some people will thank me.
Obviously there is HUGE momentum right now for this rebrand-coin, and that's all people care about. And I don't expect it to stop even with evidence it's a rebrand-coin/make-me-money-coin, lol.
I retract my "keep up the good work". They are piggy-backing off of other's work so heavily.
Quote from: lijoe408 on Today at 03:23:12 AM
Interesting. When do you plan on releasing this info? I remember the dev team said before that they took parts of several different projects and added their own piece. Is it really a bad thing?
Very soon, probably tomorrow. I am STILL working on it, just so I have covered my bases...I swear I will provide evidence and not just empty claims. Note I say hold onto your DeepOnion; I am not encouraging to sell. I think pure momentum alone will keep this coin pumping.
Uh, from the looks of it, they forked from Bitcoinplus (which the dev, crypto-rainbow, refused to tell me. This is an absolute I have figured out.), and taken code from Peercoin (ProofOfWorkReward, ProofOfStakeReward).
And that's it. There is nothing else. So for this guy's question...
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This is not first clone coins, and not the first developer who fork a code from a public source. whats the big deal? for as long the developer can improve the code base and add new feature it will always end up unique.
They didn't improve anything, nor add any features. The Tor functionality, and ProofOfWork/Stake were already present in BitcoinPlus. They didn't add anything except their branding.
Essentially you are saying if I copy DeepOnion, rebrand it as "Vault", and say it will have a whole list of features that DeepOnion already had, you would invest in it?
Then damn, I better get busy (kidding).
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Quote from: lijoe408 on Today at 03:23:12 AM
Interesting. When do you plan on releasing this info? I remember the dev team said before that they took parts of several different projects and added their own piece. Is it really a bad thing?
Very soon, probably tomorrow. I am STILL working on it, just so I have covered my bases...I swear I will provide evidence and not just empty claims. Note I say hold onto your DeepOnion; I am not encouraging to sell. I think pure momentum alone will keep this coin pumping.
Uh, from the looks of it, they forked from Bitcoinplus (which the dev, crypto-rainbow, refused to tell me. This is an absolute I have figured out.), and taken code from Peercoin (ProofOfWorkReward, ProofOfStakeReward).
And that's it. There is nothing else. So for this guy's question...
This is not first clone coins, and not the first developer who fork a code from a public source. whats the big deal? for as long the developer can improve the code base and add new feature it will always end up unique.
They didn't improve anything, nor add any features. The Tor functionality, and ProofOfWork/Stake were already present in BitcoinPlus. They didn't add anything except their branding.
Essentially you are saying if I copy DeepOnion, rebrand it as "Vault", and say it will have a whole list of features that DeepOnion already had, you would invest in it?
Then damn, I better get busy (kidding).
I think you have very short-memories. See below the dev replied to your questions. He told you BitcoinPlus is one that they base.
From your email, it seems you only understand some surface thing. The pow/pos independent retarget algo come from where? do you find it in BitcoinPlus? The table-based pow/pos height ciomputation comes from where? do you find it in any other coins?
Man do a diff, and you'll find that there a lot things you don't understand in this coin.
Don't pretend to be an expert, from what you posted, it is clearly not.
from: crypto-rainbow on August 14, 2017, 07:58:57 PM
1. Is DeepOnion based off of another coin codebase?
>> The codebase of DeepOnion is from the tor integration coins such as KoreCoin/BitcoinPlus and others (there are a few variations of that).
2. If it is, which commit?
>> There's no commit from any other coin. All coins are open source. We maintain our own codebase.
In fact our codebase are different from any existing coins (not only on parameters, evidently, there are a lot of details, like separation of PoW/PoS etc.). We will release other nice features and services in the future.
3. So DeepOnion nodes operator over Tor. Doesn't this mean IPs are somewhat visible, since we are connecting to each other, rather than a service?
>> No. You access Tor network through edge nodes, not through each other's nodes. This allow us a network level protection for our users.
4. So wouldn't it be possible to know who is running DeepOnion nodes via peerlist? Or is every DeepOnion node a hidden service?
>> Please read Tor introductions. The edge nodes are known, not inside though.
5. Is there legitimate proof or way to prove no premining has occurred?
>> There is premine, and it is stated very clearly in OP, for the purpose, distribution etc. We maintain the logs at this URL:
https://deeponion.org/report.php?date=2017-08-11Different airdrop days can be chosen from the link above. We will release more stats in the future.
6. When was this coin actually started? It was released in July (12th-ish) but I would like to know when it actually began development.
>> The development started a few months earlier by the dev team. Initial idea came about 3 years ago.
7. Does DeepOnion support re-producible builds? If I build DeepOnion from source, will the binary be 1-for-1 with what you have released (considering I build from the same release version, of course).
>> Of course, it is open source. Many people built their own client. We support open source and we believe the privacy is a fundamental human right!
8. Why create DeepOnion, instead of setting up a Bitcoin node behind Tor?
>> Bitcoin is a big community, its development is slow and has many limitations (the recent Aug 1 event is just an example).
We create DeepOnion to explore different path to build a secure and untraceable coin. There are many techniques where bitcoin is just too big to explore.
All right, the defenders are coming out! This is good, and exactly what I aim for. Now we can get somewhere - thank you for actually adding to the conversation.
1. Yes, I did see exactly what he said, and those two coins are where I started. He did not specify which coin he started from. I asked him (both in this thread, and PM - no response). Nor did he specify the commit. I was able to deduce both of these things from comparing 4 different cryptocurrencies, as well as looking at the ancestry of a few to see what's going on here.
2. I'm working on where the PoW/PoS changes have come from.
3. I am in fact working from a diff - good detective work there! You'll be able to see exactly what I'm looking at soon enough Smiley
Thanks again
Why he has to answer each of your question? who are you?? does he has to answer any of the trivial questions by anyone who may or may not understand the code? He answered enough to your curiosity, and instead of being thankful, you started to attack the coin.
If you know what you are doing, it's probably ok, from what you posted, you don't. I'll give you a hint, all altcoins are from a few branches, initially most from litecoin, then PoS coins are all based PPCoin/NovaCoin. Then there are a few important improvements such as complete separation of the diff retarget between PoW/PoS (earlier pow/pos coins and many now are coupled, and cause big issues), true randomness, tor integration, messaging, then there are masternodes etc. So find the branch that has the features you look for.
Looks like you pretty new in this domain, so learn and don't pretend.
1. He doesn't, but he did!
2. I'm just another person on the Internet honestly. No one special.
3. How am I "attacking" the coin, when I am encouraging holding, and even say the developer can be trusted?
4. No shit they are all mostly based off of a few coin codebases. Just look at this: mapofcoins.com/bitcoin. Like you said, it's about the improvements...But there are no improvements here.
Your assumptions are terribly wrong.
Excuse the whole mess.
