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    • n00n
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    May 18, 2014, 12:35:14 PM
     #1281
    maybe it's better from a PR point of view to register a domain more like anoncoinusers.xxx, anoncoininfo.xxx or something that makes it clear to the visitor that it's not the official page, to not confuse and complicate things (we want to make things easier, not more confusing).

    another idea could be to have a wiki.anoncoin.net where the community are free to contribute, as in any wiki.

    i'm talking with the developers about anoncoin.net and will give it a try when i know which direction they want me to head.
    ideas are more than welcome, one thing that didn't cross my mind is to have a donation address, thank you lunokhod2.

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    May 18, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
     #1282
    I agree that creating ANC sites independent of the developers would not be a good idea. There's way too much potential for misinformation, among other things. It would cause confusion and even more headaches for the devs. Now, if the devs are giving guidance with regard to promotion, then great.

    It looks like the ANC devs are very busy and they can't devote a lot of time to this board and/or promotion, and while I'd like to see more of their involvement here, I'm taking their relative -- and I emphasize relative -- lack of involvement here as a sign that they're busy with ANC development. If I had a choice between them spending more time here or on working on ANC development, I'd rather them work on ANC development.

    It would be great if they were more involved in promotion, but people can only so much. As a former developer, I want to give the devs the benefit of the doubt --> that they're busy with development. They have much to gain if they are (and much to loose if they aren't) and believe me, they know that. I would encourage them to reach out for assistance with promotion which can run concurrently with development, but let's not be so quick to bite the hands that are making ANC possible.
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    May 18, 2014, 09:00:52 PM
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    No, I doubt they have time for PR. That's why I said, "I would encourage them to reach out for assistance with promotion which can run concurrently with development."
    Comparison of Privacy-Centric Coins: https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php also includes Verge and Pivx

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    May 18, 2014, 09:19:04 PM
     #1284
    I would be glad to donate a few anc if the community put something like that together.

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    May 19, 2014, 08:31:26 AM
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    For info, here are the links to the zerocash project and paper. Have't yet had time to read them yet

    http://zerocash-project.org/

    http://zerocash-project.org/media/pdf/zerocash-extended-20140518.pdf

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    May 19, 2014, 05:06:33 PM
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    Quote from: lunokhod2 on May 19, 2014, 08:31:26 AM
    For info, here are the links to the zerocash project and paper. Have't yet had time to read them yet

    http://zerocash-project.org/

    http://zerocash-project.org/media/pdf/zerocash-extended-20140518.pdf

    Hi gnos1s,

    After skimming the Zerocash paper, I wonder if you could clear up a few points for us:

    First, in your opinion, will it be possible to use zk-SNARKs to reduce the size of the zerocoin proof? The authors are not too clear on this point.

    Second, will it be possible to choose the initial setup parameters for zerocash without relying on trusted third parties, such as with RSA-UFOs?

    Finally, it is my understanding that the total amount encoded into zerocash can not be calculated, as the amount is hidden in the zerocash coin commitment. Would it be possible to create new coins (or perhaps double spend) without getting caught if the initial setup parameters were known? Or would this just let the person steal existing zerocash coins?

    In my opinion, we need to do a very good job at explaining to the community the strengths and weaknesses of Zerocoin and Zerocash. If zerocash is released (which seems very likely), there is likely to be a mad dash to ditch zerocoin/anoncoin for zerocash. Many people are already referring to zerocash as "v2", with the implication that v2 is better than, and makes obsolete, v1....

     

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    May 19, 2014, 09:35:18 PM
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    My Anoncoin T-Shirts from anoncoinbuy.com just arrived!

    They shipped a quality product on time and as planned. They were very responsive to my requests for information and provided the tracking number for the shipment. All in all a very positive transaction.

    The T-shirts look great. ANC Represent!  Grin

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    May 20, 2014, 01:07:24 AM
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    Quote from: Paws1t1veEV on May 19, 2014, 09:35:18 PM
    My Anoncoin T-Shirts from anoncoinbuy.com just arrived!

    They shipped a quality product on time and as planned. They were very responsive to my requests for information and provided the tracking number for the shipment. All in all a very positive transaction.

    The T-shirts look great. ANC Represent!  Grin

    Let's see! Let's see!
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    May 20, 2014, 05:19:48 PM
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    Quote from: lunokhod2 on May 19, 2014, 05:06:33 PM
    Quote from: lunokhod2 on May 19, 2014, 08:31:26 AM
    For info, here are the links to the zerocash project and paper. Have't yet had time to read them yet

    http://zerocash-project.org/

    http://zerocash-project.org/media/pdf/zerocash-extended-20140518.pdf

    Hi gnos1s,

    After skimming the Zerocash paper, I wonder if you could clear up a few points for us:

    First, in your opinion, will it be possible to use zk-SNARKs to reduce the size of the zerocoin proof? The authors are not too clear on this point.

    Second, will it be possible to choose the initial setup parameters for zerocash without relying on trusted third parties, such as with RSA-UFOs?

    Finally, it is my understanding that the total amount encoded into zerocash can not be calculated, as the amount is hidden in the zerocash coin commitment. Would it be possible to create new coins (or perhaps double spend) without getting caught if the initial setup parameters were known? Or would this just let the person steal existing zerocash coins?

    In my opinion, we need to do a very good job at explaining to the community the strengths and weaknesses of Zerocoin and Zerocash. If zerocash is released (which seems very likely), there is likely to be a mad dash to ditch zerocoin/anoncoin for zerocash. Many people are already referring to zerocash as "v2", with the implication that v2 is better than, and makes obsolete, v1....

     
    I have asked him on profile page about your problem.
    Next time try to ask at his profile:
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=247341

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    May 20, 2014, 05:54:40 PM
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    Quote from: Arlic on May 20, 2014, 05:19:48 PM
    Quote from: lunokhod2 on May 19, 2014, 05:06:33 PM
    Quote from: lunokhod2 on May 19, 2014, 08:31:26 AM
    For info, here are the links to the zerocash project and paper. Have't yet had time to read them yet

    http://zerocash-project.org/

    http://zerocash-project.org/media/pdf/zerocash-extended-20140518.pdf

    Hi gnos1s,

    After skimming the Zerocash paper, I wonder if you could clear up a few points for us:

    First, in your opinion, will it be possible to use zk-SNARKs to reduce the size of the zerocoin proof? The authors are not too clear on this point.

    Second, will it be possible to choose the initial setup parameters for zerocash without relying on trusted third parties, such as with RSA-UFOs?

    Finally, it is my understanding that the total amount encoded into zerocash can not be calculated, as the amount is hidden in the zerocash coin commitment. Would it be possible to create new coins (or perhaps double spend) without getting caught if the initial setup parameters were known? Or would this just let the person steal existing zerocash coins?

    In my opinion, we need to do a very good job at explaining to the community the strengths and weaknesses of Zerocoin and Zerocash. If zerocash is released (which seems very likely), there is likely to be a mad dash to ditch zerocoin/anoncoin for zerocash. Many people are already referring to zerocash as "v2", with the implication that v2 is better than, and makes obsolete, v1....

     
    I have asked him on profile page about your problem.
    Next time try to ask at his profile:
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=247341


    In some other situation that is ok to PM gnos1s,
    but this time, all of us who are interested for same question can get answer, or not..

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    May 21, 2014, 08:23:33 AM
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    New Anoncoin pool

    http://anc.pool666.com/

    Great pool truly recommended.

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    May 21, 2014, 02:25:01 PM
     #1292
    There are no more than 3 active connections to ANC networks today,l I withdrawed   1000 ANCs from cryptsy.com and received them after 8 hours,the net is very weak.

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    May 21, 2014, 03:25:19 PM
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    Quote from: WDL on May 21, 2014, 02:25:01 PM
    There are no more than 3 active connections to ANC networks today,l I withdrawed   1000 ANCs from cryptsy.com and received them after 8 hours,the net is very weak.

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    May 21, 2014, 03:30:57 PM
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    I would like to know how is going the implementation of Zerocoin Cry

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    May 21, 2014, 03:38:27 PM
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    So now what? Will Anoncoin implement ZeroCash or ZeroCoin?

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    May 21, 2014, 03:52:47 PM
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    Quote from: dewdeded on May 21, 2014, 03:38:27 PM
    So now what? Will Anoncoin implement ZeroCash or ZeroCoin?
    I'd like to know that too.

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    Quote from: platorin on May 21, 2014, 03:52:47 PM
    Quote from: dewdeded on May 21, 2014, 03:38:27 PM
    So now what? Will Anoncoin implement ZeroCash or ZeroCoin?
    I'd like to know that too.
    ZeroCoin, we never said we would implement anything else.
    ZeroCash is based on trust, ZeroCoin isnt
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    Are all anon coins dead with Monero now? Bytecoin being a scam even if the tech is good, Zerocoin being a joke by having to trust a 3rd party to destroy the key which would lead to infinite spending without anyone ever knowing, or Darkcoin with the false promises of ring signatures (When this already works with Monero) + instamine.
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    Quote from: giveBTCpls on May 21, 2014, 04:41:53 PM
    Are all anon coins dead with Monero now? Bytecoin being a scam even if the tech is good, Zerocoin being a joke by having to trust a 3rd party to destroy the key which would lead to infinite spending without anyone ever knowing, or Darkcoin with the false promises of ring signatures (When this already works with Monero) + instamine.

    Anoncoin implementation of zerocoin works in diffrent way than oryginal one.

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    Quote from: giveBTCpls on May 21, 2014, 04:41:53 PM
    Are all anon coins dead with Monero now? Bytecoin being a scam even if the tech is good, Zerocoin being a joke by having to trust a 3rd party to destroy the key which would lead to infinite spending without anyone ever knowing, or Darkcoin with the false promises of ring signatures (When this already works with Monero) + instamine.
    CryptoNote technology (including BitMonero, BCN, etc.) is an interesting approach for increasing privacy, but Zerocoin provides better (i.e., proven to be perfect) anonymity.

    In CryptoNote, the user decides how many people will participate in the ring signature: the more that are used, the more difficult it is to track transaction histories in the blockchain. However, even if this form of anonymity is good enough for most people today, blockchain analysis techniques are likely to become very sophisticated in the coming years. If you value your privacy, or if you have something to hide, the only truly anonymous solutions at this point are Zerocoin and Zerocash.

    Ring signatures, CoinJoin ("darksend"), and stealth addresses are not perfect. If you use them, you do so at your own risk. I admit that these are the best solutions that are implemented in code today, but the anonymous altcoin scene will change dramatically before the year is over.

    Also, Zerocoin (the original paper) does not need to trust a third party: As Gnosis has described elsewhere, this can be accomplished using RSA-UFOs. It is not clear to me if the same thing applies to Zerocash: Gnosis says no, but I would like to hear his opinion now that the paper is published.
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