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    July 19, 2011, 03:00:46 PM
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu3919IUrb8

    Well done both Amir (Jentix) and Max. It's like a breath of fresh air, finally an intelligent discussion on "tv".
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    July 19, 2011, 03:59:18 PM
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    It's a shame that Amir Taaki bloke was interviewed. He doesn't say interesting things, he speaks as if every sentence is a question, he confuses instead of clarifies... it's a dire shame Gavin Anderson or one of the other more 'grown-up' talking-heads on bitcoin wasn't on the show instead.

    There were many good points that could have been made here that were not. Max managed to cover for him in the interview but I hope Max will still take bitcoin seriously and will discuss bitcoin on his show again.
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    July 19, 2011, 04:52:25 PM
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    Quote from: Klawi Atura on July 19, 2011, 03:59:18 PM
    It's a shame that Amir Taaki bloke was interviewed.

    Yeah, man that's an aggravating interview.  Just answer the question! 

    The value of bitcoins is not a theory, predictions of it's failure are what is theoretical.

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    July 19, 2011, 05:28:36 PM
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    Off-Topic:  Why does it seem there are a lot of people on the internet that watch a news station funded by the Russian government?

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    July 19, 2011, 05:30:45 PM
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    Because it is not funded by Murdock, maybe?
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    July 19, 2011, 05:33:27 PM
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    Quote from: Aristotle on July 19, 2011, 05:28:36 PM
    Off-Topic:  Why does it seem there are a lot of people on the internet that watch a news station funded by the Russian government?

    Good reporting and interesting reports surprisingly enough. I used to watch a news station funded by the British government but it was so smug and self-satisfied in its crapness I couldn't anymore.

    Now I watch Al Jazeera, RT, the British State News Organ and Corporate American channels too. In this colorful mix I hope to find clues as to what's really going on.
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    July 19, 2011, 05:36:47 PM
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    Quote from: Vladimir on July 19, 2011, 05:30:45 PM
    Because it is not funded by Murdock, maybe?


    murdoch is why i don't even own a TV anymore, and haven't for over ten years.

    he has probably done more damage to civilization than any other single entity in all of recorded history.

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    July 19, 2011, 05:58:06 PM
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    Quote from: Vladimir on July 19, 2011, 05:30:45 PM
    Because it is not funded by Murdock, maybe?


    Yeah because Putin is all kittens and doesn't want to distract from Russia's very real problems.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)
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    However, much of the funding to this organization, ANO TV-Novosti, is injected from the Russian Federal Budget (2.4 billion rubles in 2007).
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    RT has been criticized as having pro-Putin and Soviet bias, advancing conspiracy theories, featuring radical commentators and promoting an extremist and anti western agenda, including support for fundamentalist Islamic propaganda. Some of these allegations have been acknowledged by the TV station, claiming them to be legitimate for an alternative TV station


    Alternatives are good, biased FUD for the sake of a nation states purposes is no better then that they claim to be an alternative to.

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    July 19, 2011, 06:14:50 PM
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    Quote from: YoYa on July 19, 2011, 05:58:06 PM
    Quote from: Vladimir on July 19, 2011, 05:30:45 PM
    Because it is not funded by Murdock, maybe?


    Yeah because Putin is all kittens and doesn't want to distract from Russia's very real problems.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)
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    However, much of the funding to this organization, ANO TV-Novosti, is injected from the Russian Federal Budget (2.4 billion rubles in 2007).
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    RT has been criticized as having pro-Putin and Soviet bias, advancing conspiracy theories, featuring radical commentators and promoting an extremist and anti western agenda, including support for fundamentalist Islamic propaganda. Some of these allegations have been acknowledged by the TV station, claiming them to be legitimate for an alternative TV station


    Alternatives are good, biased FUD for the sake of a nation states purposes is no better then that they claim to be an alternative to.

    What do you think Russia gains from reporting on these 'conspiracy theories', the triumph of communism?

    When you want a critical eye cast on Western affairs watch RT. When you want a critical eye cast on Russian affairs watch something else.

    News from different perspectives is valuable.
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    July 19, 2011, 06:32:16 PM
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    'the value of money, expressed in goods, is called “value”'

    You can't define a word using the same word you are defining is the definition. There is no value in that.
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    July 19, 2011, 06:55:31 PM
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    Quote from: billyjoeallen on July 19, 2011, 06:32:16 PM
    'the value of money, expressed in goods, is called “value”'

    You can't define a word using the same word you are defining is the definition.

    I noticed that too. Nonetheless I like the statement.
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    July 19, 2011, 07:04:58 PM
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    Quote from: Klawi Atura on July 19, 2011, 03:59:18 PM
    It's a shame that Amir Taaki bloke was interviewed. He doesn't say interesting things, he speaks as if every sentence is a question, he confuses instead of clarifies... it's a dire shame Gavin Anderson or one of the other more 'grown-up' talking-heads on bitcoin wasn't on the show instead.

    There were many good points that could have been made here that were not. Max managed to cover for him in the interview but I hope Max will still take bitcoin seriously and will discuss bitcoin on his show again.

    This guy is the master of tangents, he barley answered one question directly even though the interviewer was asking all the perfect, easy answer, 'bitcoin is great' type questions. facepalm
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    July 19, 2011, 07:39:46 PM
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    Quote from: Klawi Atura on July 19, 2011, 06:14:50 PM


    What do you think Russia gains from reporting on these 'conspiracy theories', the triumph of communism?
    Distraction from a conspiracy far more open and blatant then anything we have in the west. Oligarchs with empires that dwarf other countries rich and powerful, open and explicit political corruption, all in a country that contains one of the largest divides between rich and poor in the world. Interesting that you mention communism, things were much the same back then, just the names were different.


    Quote from: Klawi Atura on July 19, 2011, 06:14:50 PM
    When you want a critical eye cast on Western affairs watch RT. When you want a critical eye cast on Russian affairs watch something else.

    News from different perspectives is valuable.

    And I don't disagree, but personally I feel that RT is blowing as much smoke up my ass as Fox, but at least on Fox I get a freak show on the side for free.

    RT is a piss poor attempt to capitalize on the Alex Jones demographic, no different to Murdochs rags capitalizing on people who can't read words 10 letters or longer.

    Fuck news organisations full stop, we have the internet, it gave us openness, transparency, freedom,b/, bitcoin and the Arab Spring to mention a few.

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    July 19, 2011, 07:45:52 PM
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    Quote from: Vladimir on July 19, 2011, 03:00:46 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu3919IUrb8

    Well done both Amir (Jentix) and Max. It's like a breath of fresh air, finally an intelligent discussion on "tv".


    Vladimir -- just curious, what did you like about this interview?

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    July 19, 2011, 08:25:13 PM
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    Quote from: Vladimir on July 19, 2011, 05:30:45 PM
    Because it is not funded by Murdock, maybe?


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    July 19, 2011, 09:17:41 PM
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    Quote from: lemonginger on July 19, 2011, 07:45:52 PM
    Quote from: Vladimir on July 19, 2011, 03:00:46 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu3919IUrb8

    Well done both Amir (Jentix) and Max. It's like a breath of fresh air, finally an intelligent discussion on "tv".


    Vladimir -- just curious, what did you like about this interview?

    For starters nothing was blatantly incorrect (which is already refreshing). Max was great, as usual. Surely there is not much new for us was said there but for many people who hear about bitcoin for the first time this could be just that little push they need to type bitcoin into google search box.

    I am looking at this not from point of view of my personal education about bitcoin but from point of view of bitcoin publicity.

    I also like this term they coined "Disruptive Disintermediation".  Grin
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    July 19, 2011, 09:23:47 PM
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    I liked the interview.

    Max really does seem to get what it's all about, especially that Bitcoin shares some characteristics with gold.

    Amir didn't give direct answers to some of Max's questions, but it wasn't supposed to be an interrogation. Amir made some very good points, and he always got around to answering Max eventually (although it would have been better without the detour into explaining Linux).

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    July 19, 2011, 09:58:47 PM
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    Quote from: RandyMarsh on July 19, 2011, 07:04:58 PM
    Quote from: Klawi Atura on July 19, 2011, 03:59:18 PM
    It's a shame that Amir Taaki bloke was interviewed. He doesn't say interesting things, he speaks as if every sentence is a question, he confuses instead of clarifies... it's a dire shame Gavin Anderson or one of the other more 'grown-up' talking-heads on bitcoin wasn't on the show instead.

    There were many good points that could have been made here that were not. Max managed to cover for him in the interview but I hope Max will still take bitcoin seriously and will discuss bitcoin on his show again.

    This guy is the master of tangents, he barley answered one question directly even though the interviewer was asking all the perfect, easy answer, 'bitcoin is great' type questions. facepalm

    ^^this.

    I have a great deal of respect for Amir in setting up Britcoin, but that's twice now I've seen him do a complete disservice to bitcoin in front of a very large potential audience. The other being that Amsterdam payments conference video.  Both times I could not stop hearing "And this one time...at band camp..." 

    It's tough on the guy as a young programmer thrust in front of a camera, but this early stage exposure is too important to mess up.  We might not get another shot at mainstream tv. sigh. Why don't they invite Rick Falkvinge on to talk about bitcoin? Odds on he would knock softball questions like those out of the park.

    This is why the weusecoins animation style video are so much more valuable, it takes the showmanship out of the equation. People intrinsicly trust a voice over Smiley
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