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    Edit 19/06/2018:

    Added this information to the Merit Dashboard (Link:  BitcoinTalk Merit Dashboard), under tab "Potential Merit Sources" so as to allow for a dynamic periodical update of the data, as well as to apply filters to it with recalculation of the ratios (by section/subsection, date period or specific user). Data on dashboard is up to friday 15/06/2018.
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    1. Introduction

    We’ve seen various post related to the Merit Network, both from a user’s perpective (Our very own sMerit Network Picture) and from a global perspective (sncc's Merit network analysis: merit rank distribution and satellites).
    The question of how to derive the potential sMerit Sources has come up recurrently, so I thought about digging into the data to see how this could be determined, or at least eased.
    The basic principal that I’m using is that potential users should have a track of sMerit awarding in their history. I think that the best criteria is determined by the size of the personal outgoing sMerit Network. That is, the number of distinct users that a certain user has awarded with sMerit over time.
    The hypothesis behind is that the more users that one has merited, the better knowledge he has of the underlying principles. The amount awarded is secondary in this case, but also a factor to narrow down candidates.

    This can be done from:
    a)   A Global perspective: Aggregating all the data for a given user.
    b)   A Section/Subsection perspective: Aggregating the data for a given user in a specific section/subsection.

    The numbers presented are those that I found, based on the snapshot of data collected 10 days ago (and aligned with the data presented in Forum Metrics - Section/subsection sMerit breakdown.). Since I do not know who the exact 79 sMerit Sources are, I have not taken them off the analysis. Logically, the current sMerit Sources should come up in the data right at the top in most cases.
    In addition to determining potential candidates for Merit Sources based on the above criteria, Merit Sources could be added by including moderators to that role, since they are already scouting the forum and parsing posts daily. It depends on whether they consider they can perform this additional task along side current tasks. This idea was nicely suggested by seoincorporation in other posts.

    In all cases, the candidates need to be manually screened, and vetoed if necessary (tracking DT, checking merited posts, etc.).

    In addition, I’d like to mention that determining the potential sMerit Sources comes in second place to determining where these sMerit Sources should develop their activity. Determining where there is a lack of sMerit Sources, in my opinion, derives from knowing how much sMerit is being given in a given section/subsection, and getting a measure of how many posts go unmerited, all in a given timeframe. The deficit can then covered by placing sMerit sources at work in those areas.

    The idea here is to be able to detect potential sMerit Source candidates, not to determine in this exercise where exactly they need to be active since that requires other input variables like I said.

    2. Global Perspective
    From a global perspective, this is the distribution of the size of the outgoing sMerit Network for all users with at least 1 sMerit sent over their history:



    We can see that 26 people have sent sMerit to over 100 distinct users each, 4 people to between 90 and 100 users, and so on.
    Only 6,63% of the users have a network with 10 or more awarded users.
    On the other extreme, a mass of 7.335 people have sent sMerit to only one user, representing 54,61% of all total sMerit awarders.

    I think that this last data is a low key tone in the system (more than half of awarders only awarded one user). Obviously this is related to the amount of sMerit available, but from the big picture’s point of view it doesn’t look great.

    So from a global point of view, the users that are candidates to being sMerit Sources would be (again, sMerit Sources will probably be on the lists at the top):
    (note: top 100 sMerit network size are provided in this list. Full list in a more user friendly format can be retrieved here:Google Drive sMerit Outgoing Network 20180516)

    The idea would be to scout the users on the list in a top down manner, favouring network size, but also using the complementary provided fields as filter criteria. Provided columns are:
    User_from: User_id
    Name: User alias
    Rank: User rank (as of data extraction)
    nSentTo: Network size. Number of distinct users that user_from has sent sMerit to.
    sMeritSent: aggregate sMerit sent by the user.
    nTx: Number of sMerit Transactions.
    avgSent: Average sMerit sent per Transaction.
    stdDevSent: Standard Deviation of sent sMerits.
    cVarSent: Coefficient of Variation (the smaller, the more constant value of merit awarded by the user)

    Code:
    user_from   name                rank                nSentTo        sMeritSent        nTx               avgSent           stdDevSent        cVarSent          NetworkGroup
    234771      suchmoon            Legendary           403            1087              738               1,47              1,1               0,74              >100
    1192397     paxmao              Full Member         363            571               519               1,1               0,39              0,35              >100
    18321       OgNasty             Donator             309            518               414               1,25              1,65              1,32              >100
    30747       Vod                 Legendary           261            1054              460               2,29              2,52              1,1               >100
    252510      JayJuanGee          Legendary           261            394               386               1,02              0,14              0,14              >100
    140584      EFS                 Staff               256            1055              577               1,83              1,85              1,01              >100
    98986       TMAN                Hero Member         244            1081              489               2,21              2,35              1,06              >100
    33156       vapourminer         Legendary           201            258               253               1,02              0,14              0,14              >100
    698159      Jet Cash            Hero Member         198            275               256               1,07              0,36              0,34              >100
    459836      LoyceV              Legendary           183            309               294               1,05              0,33              0,32              >100
    153634      dbshck              Staff               179            888               455               1,95              2,31              1,18              >100
    507936      DarkStar_           Legendary           172            551               261               2,11              2,08              0,99              >100
    51173       mprep               Global Moderator    166            444               262               1,69              1,46              0,86              >100
    487418      The Pharmacist      Legendary           162            333               253               1,32              0,82              0,63              >100
    72795       QuestionAuthority   Legendary           136            1733              153               11,33             8,75              0,77              >100
    382413      xandry              Staff               131            486               423               1,15              1,54              1,34              >100
    452769      bones261            Legendary           130            284               232               1,22              0,7               0,57              >100
    24140       qwk                 Donator             124            485               386               1,26              0,77              0,61              >100
    85033       d5000               Legendary           119            160               153               1,05              0,35              0,34              >100
    479624      Last of the V8s     Hero Member         116            319               316               1,01              0,1               0,1               >100
    379487      LFC_Bitcoin         Copper Member       114            236               209               1,13              0,49              0,43              >100
    290195      achow101            Staff               110            504               267               1,89              1,11              0,59              >100
    131361      Timelord2067        Legendary           110            192               192               1                 0                 0                 >100
    23092       malevolent          Staff               106            330               150               2,2               2,47              1,12              >100
    176777      mindrust            Legendary           103            319               128               2,49              4,98              2                 >100
    370611      bill gator          Copper Member       102            160               153               1,05              0,27              0,25              >100
    120694      xhomerx10           Legendary           98             259               168               1,54              1,98              1,29              (90..100]
    55384       Foxpup              Legendary           97             609               315               1,93              1,57              0,81              (90..100]
    143168      TheQuin             Hero Member         95             160               150               1,07              0,74              0,69              (90..100]
    553678      rickbig41           Global Moderator    94             303               132               2,3               1,96              0,85              (90..100]
    54791       Dabs                Staff               90             234               161               1,45              1,53              1,05              (80..90]
    68364       Hydrogen            Hero Member         90             141               123               1,15              0,35              0,31              (80..90]
    349097      Gleb Gamow          Legendary           89             194               166               1,17              1,07              0,91              (80..90]
    520313      Lutpin              Copper Member       89             260               113               2,3               2,87              1,25              (80..90]
    169515      EcuaMobi            Legendary           89             196               106               1,85              2,16              1,17              (80..90]
    88912       600watt             Legendary           88             231               147               1,57              2,57              1,64              (80..90]
    87229       yefi                Legendary           85             217               174               1,25              1                 0,8               (80..90]
    124876      STT                 Legendary           84             146               107               1,36              1,62              1,18              (80..90]
    175361      DooMAD              Legendary           83             204               134               1,52              0,78              0,51              (80..90]
    485285      WhiteManWhite       Legendary           83             95                95                1                 0                 0                 (80..90]
    129726      explorer            Legendary           81             232               189               1,23              0,87              0,71              (80..90]
    125583      tokeweed            Legendary           81             207               95                2,18              1,6               0,73              (80..90]
    60820       DannyHamilton       Legendary           80             267               189               1,41              0,66              0,47              (70..80]
    846936      sabotag3x           Hero Member         79             159               146               1,09              0,45              0,42              (70..80]
    81839       edgar               Legendary           79             157               122               1,29              0,77              0,6               (70..80]
    308793      1Referee            Legendary           79             242               114               2,12              6,82              3,21              (70..80]
    976210      nullius             Copper Member       78             318               214               1,49              2,85              1,92              (70..80]
     

    Code:
    user_from   name                rank                nSentTo        sMeritSent        nTx               avgSent           stdDevSent        cVarSent          NetworkGroup
    533006      richardsNY          Legendary           77             135               112               1,21              1,83              1,52              (70..80]
    557989      BTCforJoe           Hero Member         75             141               120               1,18              0,5               0,42              (70..80]
    787736      marlboroza          Hero Member         73             183               91                2,01              5,11              2,54              (70..80]
    41175       infofront           Legendary           72             160               152               1,05              0,46              0,43              (70..80]
    239406      Toxic2040           Sr. Member          72             123               114               1,08              0,42              0,39              (70..80]
    623643      johhnyUA            Hero Member         72             100               95                1,05              0,27              0,25              (70..80]
    533583      Lucius              Legendary           72             142               84                1,69              1,08              0,64              (70..80]
    84521       Welsh               Legendary           72             104               83                1,25              0,82              0,66              (70..80]
    550439      vlom                Legendary           71             165               83                1,99              2,83              1,42              (70..80]
    84866       ibminer             Legendary           69             176               119               1,48              1,11              0,75              (60..70]
    906023      poptop              Hero Member         68             198               172               1,15              0,59              0,51              (60..70]
    988740      frodocooper         Staff               68             273               167               1,63              1,38              0,84              (60..70]
    806776      digaran             Copper Member       68             218               96                2,27              1,65              0,73              (60..70]
    434984      mhanbostanci        Legendary           67             180               99                1,82              2,48              1,36              (60..70]
    507856      LeGaulois           Copper Member       66             112               87                1,29              0,73              0,57              (60..70]
    95019       Co1n                Sr. Member          65             108               102               1,06              0,44              0,42              (60..70]
    155345      gentlemand          Legendary           65             131               76                1,72              0,92              0,53              (60..70]
    569455      BobLawblaw          Legendary           64             386               204               1,89              3,86              2,04              (60..70]
    110785      AGD                 Legendary           64             76                75                1,01              0,12              0,11              (60..70]
    255065      ebliever            Legendary           63             221               100               2,21              1,37              0,62              (60..70]
    525058      InvoKing            Legendary           63             99                71                1,39              1,96              1,41              (60..70]
    6706        RodeoX              Legendary           63             86                69                1,25              0,47              0,37              (60..70]
    379147      pooya87             Legendary           61             132               83                1,59              1,63              1,03              (60..70]
    557798      TryNinja            Hero Member         61             89                74                1,2               0,57              0,48              (60..70]
    114848      Financisto          Hero Member         61             67                67                1                 0                 0                 (60..70]
    204821      Buchi-88            Legendary           60             181               124               1,46              1,31              0,9               (50..60]
    17501       iCEBREAKER          Legendary           60             210               68                3,09              3,54              1,15              (50..60]
    183781      pawel7777           Legendary           59             92                65                1,42              1,01              0,72              (50..60]
    65636       babo                Legendary           58             118               117               1,01              0,09              0,09              (50..60]
    163641      eternalgloom        Legendary           57             124               63                1,97              1,33              0,68              (50..60]
    913593      Juggy777            Sr. Member          57             59                59                1                 0                 0                 (50..60]
    511899      RoomBot             Legendary           56             218               83                2,63              5,7               2,17              (50..60]
    163318      Torque              Legendary           55             123               120               1,03              0,16              0,15              (50..60]
    347141      BitRentX            Staff               55             391               79                4,95              3,42              0,69              (50..60]
    28719       jbreher             Legendary           54             160               150               1,07              0,74              0,69              (50..60]
    1304130     pandukelana2712     Full Member         54             128               94                1,36              0,84              0,62              (50..60]
    313016      owlcatz             Legendary           54             169               79                2,14              2,74              1,28              (50..60]
    402366      Betwrong            Legendary           54             121               65                1,86              2,57              1,38              (50..60]
    49008       jojo69              Legendary           53             189               125               1,51              2,21              1,46              (50..60]
    1275282     joniboini           Full Member         52             152               109               1,39              1                 0,72              (50..60]
    1067333     micgoossens         Sr. Member          52             116               108               1,07              0,26              0,24              (50..60]
    867786      HCP                 Hero Member         52             106               86                1,23              0,7               0,57              (50..60]
    677181      Mometaskers         Hero Member         52             86                59                1,46              0,95              0,65              (50..60]
    226681      finist4x            Legendary           52             132               54                2,44              6,67              2,73              (50..60]
    443338      CjMapope            Legendary           51             166               57                2,91              1,86              0,64              (50..60]
    1023316     Ranyar              Sr. Member          51             80                57                1,4               1,44              1,02              (50..60]
    314792      examplens           Legendary           50             70                61                1,15              0,36              0,31              (40..50]
    164828      u9y42               Legendary           49             105               87                1,21              0,76              0,63              (40..50]
    223006      Karartma1           Legendary           49             172               79                2,18              2,34              1,07              (40..50]
    550315      snipie              Legendary           49             189               78                2,42              1,98              0,82              (40..50]
     

    Suchmoon comes at the top of the list, having the biggest outgoing sMerit network in the whole Forum (as of date of data extraction). He has an outgoing network of 403 distinct users, having awarded them 1087 sMerits over 738 Transactions. The average per Transaction is of 1,47 sMerits, although the awarding has a variance of 1,1 sMerits giving us a Coefficient of Variation of 74%.

    Paxmao is next in line, with an outgoing network of 363 distinct users, having awarded them 571 sMerits over 519 Transactions. The average per Transaction is of 1,1 sMerits, with a variance of 0,39 sMerits giving us a Coefficient of Variation of 35%.

    This means that Paxmao tends to award an amount of sMerit nearer to his average than Suchmoon. This is neither good nor bad, but the Coefficient of Variation could be meaningful in some scenarios in general.

    And so on..



    2. Section/Subsection Perspective

    A section/subsection perspective allows us to see the same output of information as above, but filtered specifically to the section/subsection being analysed (aggregates of data are only those related to the specific section/subsection being treated).
    The graphs themselves are not too enlightening, but the data table at the base shows us the goodies.
    I'll spare the visual pain of seeing local scrolling lists here, but all the data charted can be retrieved from the full list here (second tab) :Google Drive sMerit Outgoing Network 20180516)


    2.1. Alternate Cryptocurrencies


    Vapourminer has the largest outward sMerit Network, with 64 Users in his network on the Mining Altcoins board.

    If we needed sMerit sources on the Mining (Altcoin) section/subsection, there are 11 candidates with an outward sMerit Network greater or equal to 10 users, so finding one there is difficult due to lack of candidates. Nevertheless, perhaps candidates with a smaller network in the section/subsection, but a large overall one could be shifted to Merit here as a source.

    All other sections/subsections are similar except for Ann Altcoins, where there are 45 candidates with a network above 10 users.


    2.2. Bitcoin


    Project Development has only two native candidates, since all the remaining users have a network that is less or equal to 6 users.
    Bitcoin Technical Support is also rather scarce, with only 10 candidates with a network greater o equal to 10 users. Mining has one more candidate above this threshold.
    Development & Technical Discussion and Bitcoin Discussion are better off with easy two digit network candidates.



    2.3. Economy


    Trading Discussion is a bit scarce, but holds 18 candidates with a network greater or equal to 10 users. Marketplace and economics have plenty of candidates above the 10 user network threshold.


    2.4. Other

    Meta seems well served with candidates. Beginners & Help has just over a dozen above the 10 user network threshold.
    On the other hand, politics & Society, and off-topic are rather scarce with candidates, with less than a handful at most.
    Archival and Serious Discussion probably don’t need candidates.


    2.5. Local Boards


    Half the Local boards are a sore sight in terms of candidates. Moving the minimum size threshold further down gives more options, but lower than a network size of 7 or 8 is maybe dangerous terrain due to farms.
    Russian, Turkish, Indonesian and Turkish local boards seem to have enough candidates if needed.
    Some seem impossible using a sMerit Network criteria, such as the Indian board. If it’s moderated, perhaps the mod could do this job too.

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    Another mathematical analysis... I actually love seeing these stuffs from you and sncc. There is another one I guess. Good work guys.
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    Quote from: DdmrDdmr on May 16, 2018, 04:20:04 PM
    <...>

    I've suspected for a while for Paxmao to be a Merit Source, but maybe I'm wrong. Being or not wrong, he's a perfect candidate, for, as I have seen, his merit distribution is fair and thoughtful.
    Taking a look at the graphics, Jet Cash is the perfect candidate to be a MeritSource, for he is truly concern about giving merits and he's always searching for good posters (even now, he'd started a "project" in which the Spanish local can receive some new readers by translating some awesome posts by Gothorum and others good posters in there). Besides, he's active on boards like "Begginers and help".

    I haven't seen you in the analysis. Are you out of it or I just haven't searched for it properly. For I have to speak about a candidate for the Spanish board it will be you, no doubt.

    The analysis is great and provides a clear vision of the most actives members in the matter of merits. I haven't given as much as I liked because I don't have many, my first amount was around 20 sMerits to give (if I recall correctly), and I am now practically merits-off. I don't consider myself as a great merit source because my English is far from perfect.

    Thanks for that, DdmrDdmr, as usual, your contribution is great and I'm grateful to you for explaining all those issues we have discussed into your amazing graphics. I hope it to be useful to inject some smerits into the system in order to encourage the people to continue being great.

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    i found my name in the list:
    550439   vlom   Legendary   71   165   83   1.99   2.83   1.42   (70..80]

    and i am not Merit Source. I only have 48 sendable merit left. did not receive much.

    i think it is enough to check the most genereous senders to have the list of Merit Sources.

    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendat

    but because i liked what you did i sent you some merits.

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    Great data. Not to mention that most of the names youve selected are really generous in giving merits. Tho I just dont want to settle this down by how much number of merits they have given but the fairness of there decision. I cant mention names but truly they all deserve to be or maybe some of them already are a merit source

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    Quote from: seoincorporation on May 21, 2018, 02:09:41 PM
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    Yes, I figure Paxmao is a Merit Source, and a very good one at that. Being only a full Member, his sMerit Airdrop would have been only 20 sMerits at most (sMeritAirdrop = (yearActivity 378) * modifier * freeMerit, where modifier is 0,2 for Full Members and freeMerit the Rank Merit requirement).
    Jet Cash is a very good candidate, with an extensive network (198 at the time of data analysis) and a very evenly spread of sMerit per Tx (1,07, with 0,36 std. dev.). LoyceV I think has just been appointed as a Merit Source with very similar data to Jet Cash.

    I do appear in the Code List in my OP (1582324   DdmrDdmr   Member   42   58   55   1.05   0.30   0.28   (40..50]). It's easier to see the data in the complete list (every forum user who has sent sMerit is listed here:Google Drive sMerit Outgoing Network 20180516)

    P.D. Your English is way above average for non-native english posters, so don’t shy around it... (although I know it often requires an overdose of time to express the same as in the native language.)
     

    Quote from: vlom on May 21, 2018, 02:21:15 PM
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    i think it is enough to check the most genereous senders to have the list of Merit Sources.
    <…>
     
    I thought so too initially, but then I thought network size could/should be favoured over total sMerit sent, since it gives us a view of how well the person interacts with others on the whole in terms of sMerit awarding. In certain cases, users that award a lot but to few people may not be as good merit sources as those that award less but to many people.

    Also, if we take into consideration the forum/subforum structures, perhaps a more local approach of our sMerit awarding behaviour should be considered.
    For example, on the above referenced look to the complete file, the second tab has this data in your case:

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    Alternate cryptocurrencies Altcoin Discussion 550439 vlom Legendary 6 6 6 1.00 0.00 0.00 6
    Alternate cryptocurrencies Announcements (Altcoins) 550439 vlom Legendary 17 47 20 2.35 1.73 0.73 (10..20]
    Alternate cryptocurrencies Marketplace (Altcoins) 550439 vlom Legendary 7 13 8 1.63 1.06 0.65 7
    Alternate cryptocurrencies Mining (Altcoins) 550439 vlom Legendary 2 4 4 1.00 0.00 0.00 2
    Bitcoin Bitcoin Discussion 550439 vlom Legendary 3 4 4 1.00 0.00 0.00 3
    Bitcoin Development & Technical Discussion 550439 vlom Legendary 5 11 6 1.83 1.17 0.64 5
    Deleted Posts Deleted Posts 550439 vlom Legendary 2 7 2 3.50 2.12 0.61 2
    Economy Marketplace 550439 vlom Legendary 5 30 5 6.00 10.63 1.77 5
    Economy Trading Discussion 550439 vlom Legendary 3 5 3 1.67 0.58 0.35 3
    Local German 550439 vlom Legendary 2 3 2 1.50 0.71 0.47 2
    Local Portuguese 550439 vlom Legendary 1 4 1 4.00 NULL NULL 1
    Other Beginners & Help 550439 vlom Legendary 5 5 5 1.00 0.00 0.00 5
    Other Meta 550439 vlom Legendary 15 26 17 1.53 0.87 0.57 (10..20]
    Best seen on second tab of  :Google Drive sMerit Outgoing Network 20180516

    This is complementary to the global aggregate view, but could be a primary means of detecting potential sources on a more focalized specific section/subsection.


    Quote from: darklus123 on May 21, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
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    Cheers. The short code list is just an example of top candidates from a global perspective. Half of them are probably already sources, so I included the complete list of all users both from a global perspective and a more select Forum Section/Subsection.

    For example, using the complete file, If I were trying to scout for a Merit Source specifically for the Spanish Forum, the top 5 candidates based on filtering the file’s second Tab would be in this order: Paxmao (network size on Spanish Local of 101), Gothorum (27), solosequenosenada(15), EcuaMobi (15), and foroplus (foroplus) -> I’m personally further down the rank in this section/subsection.. The idea would be to work the list until a suitable new Merit Source is found.

    Further due diligence can be performed checking on the cherry-picked candidates their global network stats on the first tab of their file, and looking through their awarding and perhaps post history.

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    Quote from: DdmrDdmr on May 21, 2018, 05:13:50 PM
    Jet Cash is a very good candidate, with an extensive network (198 at the time of data analysis) and a very evenly spread of sMerit per Tx (1,07, with 0,36 std. dev.). LoyceV I think has just been appointed as a Merit Source with very similar data to Jet Cash.
    I only saw your thread today, but I closed my Merit source application thread just after you opened it. Coincidence or not, thanks for the endorsement.

    I only have one comment to this thread: if you use the sMerit Network size as a measure to determine who would make a good Merit source, your system strongly favours high ranked users who started out with a lot of free sMerit. Someone who started with with 200 sMerit can much easier merit 100+ different users than someone who started with 50 sMerit. That makes sMeritSent divided by nSentTo an indicator for lower ranked users. A lower number would be better in this context.
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    Quote from: DdmrDdmr on May 21, 2018, 05:13:50 PM


    Quote from: vlom on May 21, 2018, 02:21:15 PM
    <…>
    i think it is enough to check the most genereous senders to have the list of Merit Sources.
    <…>
     


    Quote from: DdmrDdmr on May 21, 2018, 05:13:50 PM

    I thought so too initially, but then I thought network size could/should be favoured over total sMerit sent, since it gives us a view of how well the person interacts with others on the whole in terms of sMerit awarding. In certain cases, users that award a lot but to few people may not be as good merit sources as those that award less but to many people.



    you are right. and it solves the problem that people are in the list just because they send a lot of merit to accounts that they are farming. done like you did it excludes them from the list.

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    Quote from: LoyceV on May 21, 2018, 05:42:48 PM
    <...>

    What you say is true. My proposed criteria is a good approach, but not necessarily the only one. Perhaps there could be quotas per (Top) Ranks in addition during the selection process. That is, select x Legendaries, y Heros, z Sr. Members for example, and work on the list in the same way but filtering previously by Rank to scout for candidates.
    Of course that play well if there are many candidates, but section/subsections with few candidates would not be able to play by the quota per rank criteria.

    I thought of also creating a variable with the size of the network that is unique (i.e. Merited by the given person, but not by anyone else), but thought it would be complicated to use and always as a side criteria in any case.

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    Thanks for the kind words guys. I think I have been lucky in that I received a chunk of merits in the initial airdrop, and my policy of awarding them in ones and twos seems to have resulted in my picking up a few hundred sMerit in addition. In the main, I have ignored the rank of a poster when awarding merit, but I have tried to find threads where newer members were likely to post. I think I have awarded 3 first posts with a merit, and I did this where I got the impression that the poster could be encouraged to become a valuable contributing member.

    Also, I gave Hilariousetc a merit for a single word post of "yes". I suspect that many members will consider this as a wasted merit, so I will post an explanation. I'm sure that a merit is unlikely to be life changing for Hilarious, but I believe that merit should be used to encourage good posting behaviour, and highlighting good examples is as important as rewarding the poster. I felt that the single word answered the OP's question completely, and further justification was not required in this case. The award was really because he avoided bulking out the post to try to achieve some minimum character count requirement.

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    Quote from: Jet Cash on May 22, 2018, 08:19:22 AM
    This is a generalistion, and I apologise to the competent and responsible members who are not yet able to post in the IT.

    This is the best way, I think. If not, many newbies-merit-hunters will use Google TRanslator and spam such a great initiative.

    I believe you should postulate yourself to be a Merit Source, data has spoken and many of us agree with you are one of the best candidates. Of course, only if you want, jaja. But, given your recent initiatives with the local Spanish board, I am convinced: you should be a merit source.

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    Quote from: seoincorporation on May 22, 2018, 03:02:04 PM

    I believe you should postulate yourself to be a Merit Source, data has spoken and many of us agree with you are one of the best candidates.

    Thanks for the kind words, but I think that merit sources could be the victims of begging PMs. I'm also having trouble finding posts to merit. I think I need a cork screen for my computer, so that I can throw darts at it.
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    Good idea, being generous to giving away their sMerits is one. However you are right identifying who is generous isn't enough to determine if that member is a potential merit source, we still need to check their merit history one by one and merited post by merited post as this is where you will really see if the sMerits they are sending are for high quality posts. In my own opinion this is really a good alternative of becoming  a Merit Source for those who don't want to apply personally.

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    These are very nice stats DdmrDdmr! Merited!  Wink

    Another usage of these stats could also be to track down merit abusers. Usually they have a very high sent merit average.
    Need to mention that some of the ones that have an average of >100 merits per transaction seem a bit suspicious to me if there isn't an error in there.

    I also found my name in the list too Smiley I'm the last one in your list though.  Roll Eyes

    user_from   name   rank   nSentTo   sMeritSent   nTx   avgSent   stdDevSent   cVarSent   NetworkGroup
    1268116   vlad230   Full Member   31   32   32   1.00   0.00   0.00   (30..40]

    Not sure why my average sent is 0 here. I've only sent 1 merit per transaction so this should say 1, not 0.00

    EDIT: I think the formatting is the culprit, it says 1 to my average.

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    Quote from: Harlot on May 22, 2018, 04:45:47 PM
    Good idea, being generous to giving away their sMerits is one. However you are right identifying who is generous isn't enough to determine if that member is a potential merit source, we still need to check their merit history one by one and merited post by merited post as this is where you will really see if the sMerits they are sending are for high quality posts. In my own opinion this is really a good alternative of becoming  a Merit Source for those who don't want to apply personally.
    The only grey area remaining would be if theymos wanted to create Merit Sources on local boards that currently hold hardly any candidates, since some of them barely have any merited users to start with. That happens on around half of the local boards, where the sMerit network size threshold would be too low to be a reliable initial candidate selector. 
    If there were to exist a will to create Merit Sources on such boards, options are low. Apart from volunteers postulated as candidates through the established process, the other option perhaps would be to initiate the rollout of sMerits through more trusted local people such as moderators (although not all boards have them nor do they have too much free time I guess).

    Quote from: vlad230 on May 22, 2018, 06:55:19 PM
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    Yes, that’s it. Your average is a round 1, with 0 standard deviation since 100% of your sMerit awarding transactions were all of the same value.
    I always struggle with the formatting of coded tables. I know that a table can be created, but it’s just so cumbersome..
    It’s easier to see on one´s data on the general google doc file (you’re on row 219 of the global tab).

    You are right that this data could also be uses for merit abuser candidate tracking. The idea would be to filter the general file by high averages and (normally) small network sizes. Those are candidates.
    In my opinion though there rules to treating cases with merit abuse are not crystalline clear, as the assumption is that it will become rather meaningless in the overall picture over time. We’ll see. Regardless, tracking the cases down and resolving in negative trust is fine, but not always easy to prove and leads to uncomfortable situations both for the pursuer and for the pursued if the latter is a false positive.

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    May 23, 2018, 06:08:34 AM
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    Quote from: DdmrDdmr on May 22, 2018, 07:42:58 PM
    I always struggle with the formatting of coded tables. I know that a table can be created, but it’s just so cumbersome..
    It’s easier to see on one´s data on the general google doc file (you’re on row 219 of the global tab).
    If you'd make tables, you'd quickly run into post size limits. I think the easiest solution would be to fill out the right amount of spaces inside the code-tags.
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    Quote from: LoyceV on May 23, 2018, 06:08:34 AM
    I think the easiest solution would be to fill out the right amount of spaces inside the code-tags.

    Cheers. Probably creating a the coded tag strings properly from my data environment should be easy. I’ll take a good look to get the hang of it. Seen the size limits too.

    edit 11:34AM
    I tried to place a larger list using two techniques:

    1. Table -> Got the padding right, but length of post gets too long with a large list.
    2. Code -> What I had before, but this time padded with spaces to align it all.

    The second one is probably better suited for large lists, but I encountered an issue just now: I placed 231 rows in the Code section, previewed the post, and everything look fine. Then I saved the post and it all went buggy. If cut half of the list off and also the bottom sections with text and graphs from the OP... panic !!!.

    Eventually I got the post from the draft history and altered it to show just the first 100 rows in two code blocks. Perhaps I encountered a max post length issue here, but it is weird since the preview worked fine.
    Anyway, I think I have not lost text at the bottom of the OP, so I'll leave it be now. It looks better, but for large lists it easier (and safer) to go to a google drive doc or such.

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    Edit 19/06/2018:

    Added this information to the Merit Dashboard (Link:  BitcoinTalk Merit Dashboard), under tab "Potential Merit Sources" so as to allow for a dynamic periodical update of the data, as well as to apply filters to it with recalculation of the ratios (by section/subsection, date period or specific user). Data on dashboard is up to friday 15/06/2018.
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