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    February 09, 2014, 07:36:49 PM
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    Seeing that the manipulator, AnonyMint has a somewhat tyrannical habit of starting threads that look promising at the start, but are ruthlessly censored to shut out dissenting views, I've decided to repost here.

    Feel free to post (or repost) replies as you see fit.

    Self moderated threads are for pansies.

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    (Doug) Casey Research's Alex Daley penned a myopic rebuttal to internet pioneer, now venture capitalist Marc Andreessen's myopic fanboy regurgitation of the often repeated incorrect theories about Bitcoin's key innovation and future. These two and most of the Bitcoin community are far from understanding what is really going on. Thus expect the majority to vote "No" here, to reaffirm their myopia, else they should refute me in debate me here (they won't be able to). Tongue

    Daley essentially incorrectly argues that money can't exist without top-down corporate and government control (although he admits it could in a "wild west" mad max world which is precisely where we are headed after 2016), yet correctly argues that Bitcoin has insurmountable (also) flaws for consumer payment without top-down take over while he failed to enumerate many of the reasons Bitcoin is vulnerable to top-down take over. Copying the myopia of most of the Bitcoin community, Andreessen fails to understand the reasons Bitcoin is doomed to a future of top-down control and thus can't compete with the top-down global money solutions being patented recently by the major banks.

    Your prejudice against all things centralised or structured "top down" (aka: weasel words for social structures that you emotionally dislike), fits right in with the 'myopic' Libertarian euphoria surrounding Bitcoin... in 2011 - 2012. In defence of the Libertarians here, most seem to have quite moderate views in advocating "small" governments and seeing their ideology as a "guiding principle" rather than a hard set of rules.

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    Bitcoin is doomed to a future of top-down control and thus can't compete with the top-down global money solutions

    That's BS. Central control implies a cohesive group of vested interests -- much more dangerous to legacy financial systems than a disorganised collective of FOSS enthusiasts. One could even argue that as a distributed/decentralised platform, Bitcoin was a) too new/experimental/immature to compete with anything, b) allowed to naturally mature and become more hierarchical in precisely your favourite way: chaotic simulated annealing. It's too bad that you don't like the results-to-date of that unregulated self-structuring.




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    Bitcoin Take Over Threats

    • Coming $Trillion(s) bubble burst will demand world government intervention & cooperation [1] (Bernie Madoff is so much smaller)
    • Selfish mining attack confirmed by skeptics
    • Those who were anonymous lose it ex post facto, when tax & law enforcement attack the numerous non-anonymous [2]
    • 51% attack because mining is concentrated in a few pools
    • 51% attack because mining is ASICs concentrated and ASICs foundries could be purchased with unlimited fiat. Note also ASICs can't be re-purposed as PCs can, i.e. each ASIC only works for a specific coin design.
    • 51% attack because mining is not funded with perpetual debasement (new coins) to remain proportional to market value, instead transaction fees can not scale to market cap because even debit cards & ACH charge a flat-fee not a percentage of transaction value. Thus the world's rich (denominated in coin) grow more wealthy relative to the income of the miners.
    • Non-zero transaction fees allows cartel take over via Transactions Withholding Attack
    • Pools can be attacked with Share Withholding Attack fixable with oblivious shares
    • Blockchain requires increasingly powerful full clients as scale to billions of transaction, thus more centralization and vulnerability to 51% attack.
    • Superior altcoin
    Your fears seem pathological, and you seem to misunderstand several things about the nature of money (but that's OK, so do most people).

    Re: the $150T bubble collapsing?
    Not gonna happen unless levels of mutual distrust in society reach a crisis point. Look up the causes of hyperinflation. There doesn't even need to be an increase in the money supply -- hyperinflation is fundamentally a runaway collapse in the amount of trust the average person has in the underlying system. Look around! Bitcoin had its own mini bout of hyperinflation just the other day -- yet the inflation policy has never changed.

    You've opined about the hockey stick shape of US reserve printing. There are many ways in which it could be interpreted, e.g.:
    -2008 was the start of currency war in which the US tried to steal from the EU with overpriced dollars. Since exchange rates are laggy, there's a first-mover advantage for currency debasement and the US broke the stalemate by printing. US interests would have been able to transfer $billions in hard assets from the EU, if not for EU counter moves to eliminate that advantage. Now it's back to stalemate mode with both sides sitting on extra reserves that they can't really move.
    -Structural problems where the Fed have some print policy, but a parasitic hierarchy of banks is doing funny things with the money instead of lending it, because no Glass Steagal.
    -You're right about a coordinated conspiracy and the Satanic elites have some suicidal plan.
    -Or... anarchy rules, everything is a pathological mess, and no-one's in charge. Ideological belief in the superiority of Capitalism could do that -- government bureaucrats simply shrug their shoulders because the free market already pays them to do what they do.


    All the 51% stuff and other attacks? It's all priced in.

    Centralisation boogie-man = big yawn. As mentioned above, it naturally results from your favourite simulated annealing process.



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    Bitcoin Killer Altcoin

    The Bitcoin killer will thus have at least the following features.

    • provably cpu-only mining with botnet resistance (current proof-of-stake can't redistribute new coins to masses & I posit it isn't secure)


    Mining is a temporary bootstrapping thing. As a feature of money, the 'costliness' of the tokens has near zero utility. Calling that cost "intrinsic value" is just a distraction for people who haven't quite wrapped their heads around more advanced ideas that cash is a symbolic pointer to a web of trust. Smiley
    Mining is a (maybe) necessary evil so that trust can be built on immature networks where no naturally trustworthy leaders have emerged yet. Bitcoin allows proof-of-stake to be added. Whereas perpetual POW crappyness is implausible.

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    small, reasonable perpetual debasement
    agreed.

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    built-in anonymity (to minimize non-anonymous users)
    meh.

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    zero transaction fees (with economic transaction spam resistance)
    So you want to reinvent hashcash? How? Perhaps a small fee to prevent ddos? Maybe all the miners get together and vote to determine fee levels?... You haven't thought this through, have you?

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    faster 1-confirmation block chain, e.g. 1 minute instead of Bitcoin's 10 min delay, if the orphan rate can be contained
    2nd gen cryptos like Ethereum could make that issue completely irrelevant. E.g.: Ethereum would allow you to set up any centralised cash or share system inside a contract, and the "decentralised cloud server mining" nonsense is outsourced and non-intrusive. Your server just runs seamlessly until it runs out of funds.

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