Interesting discussion that I have read from various responses.
For me, the investment that we make is primarily for the future of our children/ that is my main focus. Apart from the ideas suggested in some responses, of course investing in bitcoin is a new area for me in changing course from before. I mean I used to invest regularly in Gold and now I have switched to bitcoin because I am satisfied with my gold ownership and I am targeting further satisfaction in bitcoin and maybe that will take decades to come.

Believe me changing life is sometimes difficult, but we have to be able to follow the trends of the times, now is the modern era where Bitcoin is superior and many countries have adopted it, therefore I have numbered 1 investment for bitcoin compared to others.

It is clear that there are still many people who doubt bitcoin, but that is their right, they are late because they lack knowledge of the rapidly growing industry.

I also still make DCA the main choice besides lumpsum. There are many benefits for me and maybe it needs a longer explanation if it has to be explained.

I just want to say, don't forget to buy and don't sell your btc to america because trump wants to buy more btc from weak hands. Hold for the long term is better and make it as an old age investment is also better. The choice all depends on each individual and the main focus is the form of concentration in accumulating routinely.

You are actually making sense, the bear market is more  like the Dip and in as much as accumulating in the bear market or season doesn't guarantee a big profit in return but we should also know that the bear market gives investors the opportunity to double their holding by taking advantage of the... and by doing this automatically if someone keep accumulating and holding for a long period of time, they are going to see a big return but if they accumulate during the bear market and doesn't keep accumulating, holding and having a short term mindset it is very obvious their return won't be encouraging.

You are contradicting yourself a little with your narrative of the bear market not guaranteeing a big profits while at the same time stating that investors can double their holding in the same bear market. This beg the question if doubling ones holding does not mean profit or you think profit is only when the investor sell his bitcoin? To me the bear market is a great time to be more serious with buying bitcoin because it is a time you get more bitcoin for smaller amount of fiat compared to what you would get in a bull market. In other words, if you continue to buy more buy more bitcoin in the bear season through any method, you will definitely see your portfolio grow exponentially when the bull market starts. So, don't joke with the bear market because that is the time to make most of the purchase if you are smart to understand that it is an opportunity to buy.

Essentially, what you seem to be suggesting is that what EarnOnVictor is not being very representative of what normal people would do in similar circumstances, and so most likely we have to take what EarnOnVictor is saying that he did with a considerably decent sized grain of salt, including that he has been frequently proclaiming to be engaging in trading kinds of strategies rather than investing strategies, and he is also proclaiming that he bought BIG at the bottom of our BTC price timeline, and perhaps is going to imply that at some point he is going to sell BIG at (or near) the top, yet he is not even really announcing as he goes and he poo poos the idea of DCAing, including acting like normal guys can figure out in advance what the BTC price is going to do, and to attempt to provide himself as evidence of how guys can be smarter than the market (or see BTC price moves in advance).

A more realistic perspective continues to be that an overwhelming majority of normies don't have time to be trying to figure out whether the BTC price is going to go up, down or sideways, so they are going to tend to be better off to just continue to ongoingly, consistently, persistently, and perhaps even aggressively investing in bitcoin through buying only techniques and just allow one or two cycles to play out and to see where there are at after investing by buying into bitcoin for a couple of cycles or more depending on their own cashflows and/or their abilities to front load their bitcoin investment, and again an overwhelming majority of folks do not have great abilties to frontload their BTC investment, so they just have to frontload in moderation from time to time when they are able to, since an overwhelming majority of normies are not going to tend to have a lot of cash that they can advance towards bitcoin or any other investment.

We have to take with decently large grains of salt when guys are proclaiming that they made ingenious trades, including that so much of the time during our 2024 stagnation between $55k and $70k, EarnOnVictor was relatively ambiguous in what he was suggesting that guys do, including ongooingly proclaiming vague BTC trading ideas, when in retrospect we can largely recognize and appreciate that it would have had been way better (especially for newbies) to have had stayed focus on their ongoing, persistent and consistent BTC accumulation (through buying) during that $55k to $70k-ish time..
 - in which it still seems to be the case now for guys who have not accumulated enough BTC they need to be continuing to focus on ongoingly buying bitcoin rather than bragging about their profits if they happen to be in profits, which seems to be EarnOnVictor ongoing sometimes seemingly subliminal message.

I anticipate that in the future, after bitcoin had already dropped 50% or more, EarnOnVictor will probably chime in and proclaim that he sold much if not all of his BTC at or near the top... whether true or not.. who knows? and who cares?  he is likely coming into investment threads like these in order to distract guys (especially newbies) from what should be our focuses on continuing to build our BTC stack through ongoing buying and to not get distracted into selling that may or may not end up working out to buy BTC back at lower than prices that we had sold  - if we are so dumb to be fucking around with those kinds of attempts that largely involve prematurely selling our BTC stash prior to sufficiently and adequately building it up.. which may well take a couple of cycles, depending on how able we might be to front load our BTC investment or if we might mostly be limited towards investing in more incremental kinds of DCA ways with somewhere in the ballpark of 5% to 25% of our income, depending on our circumstance.


A lot of times traders will sell too many too soon, so they won't even end up selling at or near the top, they will also put themselves in a mindset that they are looking at the short term dollar value, and so they are not even close to buying as aggressively as they could do or that they should do.  They will also likely fail to sufficiently buy at or near the bottom because they are waiting for more bottom that may or may not come.

It is possible that they could end up outperforming longer term bitcoin investors, yet it is quite doubtful because they lack focus, which is the ongoing, persistent, consistent and perhaps even aggressive buying of BTC that provides the certainty of increasing the BTC stash. .and even if they pay lip service towards believing in bitcoin, they really don't, since they are too busy focusing on dollar profits, which in the long run they likely end up with way less dollar profits because they failed to stay focused on accumulating bitcoin.

Group A:  Guys who focused on accumulating BTC between 2012 and 2016 may well have anywhere between 50x (average costs of $2k per BTC) and 2,000x (average costs of $50 per BTC) profits depending on how many mistakes that they may have had made along the way and also how aggressive that they may have had been able to be towards the beginning of their investment (to frontload it), and so it can be difficult to rationalize why the guys who had mostly been accumulating during that time would have had needed to achieve more profits from trading their BTC rather than just remaining hunkered down and riding their BTC stash through ongoing accumulation of BTC.

Group B:  Similarly  .... Guys who focused on accumulating BTC between 2016 and 2020 may well have anywhere between 10x (average costs of $10k per BTC) and 100x (average costs of $1k per BTC) profits depending on how many mistakes that they may have had made along the way and also how aggressive that they may have had been able to be towards the beginning of their investment (to frontload it), and so it can be difficult to rationalize why the guys who had mostly been accumulating during that time would have had needed to achieve more profits from trading their BTC rather than just remaining hunkered down and riding their BTC stash through ongoing accumulation of BTC.

Group C:  Now we have guys who are more recent accumulators and Guys who focused on accumulating BTC between 2020 and 2025 may well have anywhere between 2x (average costs of $50k per BTC) and 10x (average costs of $10k per BTC) profits depending on how many mistakes that they may have had made along the way and also how aggressive that they may have had been able to be towards the beginning of their investment (to frontload it), and so it can be difficult to rationalize why the guys who had mostly been accumulating during this more recent time would have had needed to achieve more profits from trading their BTC rather than just remaining hunkered down and riding their BTC stash through ongoing accumulation of BTC.

Group D:  Now we have guys who have just gotten into bitcoin and may well be focusing on accumulating their BTC mostly between 2024 and 2029 may well have still unknown profits and average costs per BTC anywhere between $50k per BTC and perhaps even $300k per BTC or more.. .. we cannot be sure what the average costs are going to end up being after 4 or more years of BTC accumulation.  

From the above examples, we can see that the longer that any of us has been in BTC, then the more likely that we would have had been able to accumulate our BTC at average costs that are lower, yet we still may well have to keep our heads down and continue to focus on accumulating BTC through ongoing, persistent consistent and perhaps even aggressive buying, rather than losing our focus.


Many times, an overwhelming majority of us (except those who think that they are smarter than everyone else) are also not going to know in advance if we are in bear season or not or if bear season is coming in the future.

Any of us may well be able to look back, after the fact, and see when bear season happened to have had been and how such bear season had ended up playing out, but that "after the fact" information is not going to do any of us very much good when we should have had stayed focused on ongoing, persistent, consistent and perhaps aggressive accumulation of cornz all along the way.. whether bear season, bull season or otherwise.. especially in our first whole cycle (and perhaps even more than a whole cycle?) of accumulating BTC.


Well I had not realized that you had experience accumulating gold, and surely with your looking more into bitcoin, you have likely come to realize that bitcoin is likely close to 1,000x better than gold in terms of various monetary properties, even though it could take 50-200 years or longer for the fair valuation to iron itself out in the market - and at the same time, bitcoin has been eating gold's lunch in the past 10-ish years or longer, so any of us trying to pay attention to real matters should be able to recognize so much relative disadvantage in regards to continuing to hold onto gold (if any of us might have had maintained some of those practices).  

Sure, you might live in a location in which there is some practicality in exchanging gold, which could justify holding more of it, yet if you are holding any more than 10% of the value of your bitcoin in gold, you are likely living in a fantasy world... and you likely should be figuring out ways to regularly allocate out of gold whether it is failing/refusing to continue to stock gold or perhaps slowly selling some of your gold stash while simultaneously increasing your bitcoin holdings.  Details of how to reallocate can sometimes have varying individualistic obstacles that might need to be figured out and tailored to your own situation... but yeah, hopefully you both recognize what is good for you and how to accomplish any necessary reallocation away from gold and into bitcoin... and sure, ultimately the choice is yours whether you do the right thing or not, you are the one who is responsible for if you stay in gold, reallcoate into bitcoin or some other variation of how you choose to act (and non-action can also have meaningful/significant consequences).  

Your strategy is exactly that of trading and I wonder how it works for you, waiting for bitcoin to drop before accumulating will make you miss out alot of market opportunities and it will definitely slow down your bitcoin investment journey nobody really knows when the market will dip so while waiting? what if the price didn't drop to that particular price you wanted that means you won't accumulate Bitcoin though people may choose to do what they want to do but your bitcoin accumulation strategy is not really a good one meanwhile by adopting the DCA strategy you can accumulate Bitcoin both when the price is high or low instead of waiting for the price to drop first before you can buy and you a should also know that the money meant to accumulate Bitcoin is your discretionary income and not by dividing the money meant for personal use to accumulate Bitcoin this will make sell out at short while because you never made any provision for your discretionary income.
Accumulate with DCA strategy either weekly or monthly regardless of the price of Bitcoin and HODL for long, and don't wait for bitcoin to drop price before accumulating that is a wrong strategy to accumulate Bitcoin.

That strategy is same thing as waiting for the dip to occur before buying Bitcoin, we've treated that severally in the past and it's not very advisable cause while one is waiting for the market to go dipper you would missed out on several opportunities, one of the best accumulation strategy if not the best still remains the DCA strategy and that's why it's widely spoken about, lots of investors have tried and seen that it helps maximise profits whether during the bullish or bearish season, it's not affected by volatility and gives room for both the poor and rich to implement it in their accumulation journey, most investors prioritise the dip season cause they feel they're poor to afford Bitcoin in large quantity based on the current price but with the DCA strategy, an investor does not have to worry about the price of Bitcoin nor wait for the market to go dipper before they start accumulating or adding more to their portfolio. People shouldn't use the fact that "anyone can do whatever they like" and miss out on opportunities of accumulating more Bitcoin or implement wrong strategies that could make them lose their Bitcoin.

I think the real problem some people are facing in this forum is the topic of this discussion.

Buy the Dip and Hodl, this is where many people are misunderstanding. The fact that it was called dip does not really symbolise that the price has go go as low as to please you or prove that it is actually a dip before you can invest.

It is not very wrong to say that bitcoin accumulation is not restricted to your personal interest. Recently bitcoin went as low as 92k and many still hoped it will fall further before it started heading up again.

Accumulation of bitcoin should be intentional and show be done with your DCA if you intend holding for long as it should be.

The more you ask a new investor to deposit Bitcoin and mention the benefits, the more greed will be created in that investor. Later, he may give up his investment, that is why I say that depositing Bitcoin is the best and it is natural to be profitable if you deposit it in a long-term manner. Therefore, in the beginning, the investor should not be shown the greed of benefits, it is most appropriate to advise how an investor will hold Bitcoin in a long-term manner.
Because first, holding and then reminding him of the strategies on how to sustain his investment for a long time, Bitcoin is not 10 years and more, the more his investment will be successful in the long term. The patience of investment is the only main tool to reach the peak of success.

I advise novice investors to invest with a long-term plan and consider a disciplined, systematic approach such as DCA (Dollar-Cost Averaging) in the early stages, alongside having a reliable or alternative source of income. This could be sufficient advice for a beginner.

For the second stage, I recommend gaining knowledge about investing and Bitcoin, as well as providing some ideas regarding backup funds. Beyond that, I prefer to leave the next steps and personal independence to the individual (while offering support in critical moments).

Once the individual starts investing with basic knowledge and steps, they can easily become aware of the strategies through continued learning. They might need assistance as a beginner, but over time they will learn the strategies and be able to apply them in practice. An advisor should provide guidance that allows an investor to become self-regulated. Advise them to gain knowledge about the strategies, assist in learning when necessary, and ensure they are on the right track or making mistakes.

I do not support advising a novice investor on tempting strategies. For an inexperienced investor, taking aggressive actions when the value drops could negatively impact them. However, once they acquire knowledge and understand how to take aggressive actions during a downturn, it may not be negative for them. I believe that for a beginner, providing advice on basic knowledge and learning is the best approach.

Investors gradually and regularly increase their capital by buying Bitcoin, so that they can create a long-term investment that is not affected by market fluctuations. This is especially effective when there is volatility in the market, as it helps to reduce the average value of the investment over time. In this, we can see that a secure future is established through DCA.

Those who evaluate Bitcoin positively should continue to save and consider it as a safe source for the future. It is essential for all of us investors to evaluate Bitcoin and have faith in saving.

When the Bitcoin market is down, it can be a great time to buy. Investors can easily learn that there is a greater chance of profit in a bear market if they have a long-term perspective. but, since we do not understand the Bitcoin market in advance, we should continue to invest in both types of markets. Instead of becoming a trader who is greedy for high profits in the short term, we should build our future through long-term investments.

No matter how volatile the market is or how bearish the season is, it is important to focus on buying and holding Bitcoin with concentration, with the right perspective and plan.