[09:03] <virtuallann> i am the former foundation member if you have questions i will answer them.  unless these guys decide to kick me from the channel
[09:05] <frenchcoiner> tl;dr of your post ?
[09:05] <CG> virtualann Did the foundation ever discuss a way to keep caix members staking after the upcoming dividend payout?
[09:05] <virtuallann> no
[09:06] <virtuallann> althought i had 2 ideas to maintain node payments
[09:06] <CG> Do you believe the dividend payouts will happen?
[09:06] <virtuallann> 1 temp and one perm
[09:06] <virtuallann> i cannot say one way or the other i cannot vouch for the integrety of the wallet holder
[09:07] <CG> How are is the development branch doing?  Are they making any profits that can or will be reinvested back into the coin?
[09:07] <virtuallann> frenchcoiner i dont know what u typed there
[09:07] <CG> frenchcoiner go read it yourself on the bct thread
[09:07] <virtuallann> the foundation has heard nothing on the app development front we dont even know if it exists anymore
[09:07] <virtuallann> no new dividends from there
[09:08] <CG> what is the status of tiny elementals integration with caix?  heard nothing?
[09:08] <virtuallann> questions such as yours that i asked directly were ignored
[09:08] <virtuallann> nothing to hear.  nonexistent far as i know
[09:08] <frenchcoiner> i did skim through it but tl;dr mean too long didn't read virtuallann, so if you could explain your claim here in a few words
[09:08] <CG> so, the foundation doesn't even know answers to what I consider the WHOLE FUCKING REASON I put money into this turd?
[09:09] <CG> dude, if its too long to read that, you have no business investing in crypto
[09:09] <virtuallann> android i believe will not allow integration with crypto hence its a moot point and a false selling feature at this point
[09:09] <frenchcoiner> come on CG, i did read it, it's not for me
[09:10] <CG> What is the deal with the multipool?  Why the constant delays?
[09:10] <CG> Why was para's version of it scrapped?
[09:10] <virtuallann> paras was not an official pool
[09:10] <virtuallann> it was run poorly so we disavowed it
[09:11] <virtuallann> we were told when that happened that 2 weeks wed have a pool.  still nothing not even alpha testing
[09:11] <CG> to your knowledge, has development on a pool even been started?
[09:11] <virtuallann> to my knowledge yes.  but i cannot guarantee it.  iv seen chat logs of discussion on pool progression
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[09:12] <CG> is the 1 titan ordered by stuhlman legit?
[09:12] <CG> receipt on thread
[09:12] <virtuallann> i believe it is
[09:13] <CG> will dividends be paid in btc or caix
[09:13] <CG> ?
[09:13] <virtuallann> but at the end of the day its his titan it doesnt belong to caix holders and he can do whetever thell he wanmts with it
[09:13] <CG> so, it is stuhlmans eh?  good to know
[09:13] <virtuallann> did someone ask about wallet progress?
[09:13] <virtuallann> if they did i missed it
[09:13] <CG> what was the relationship between silk and caix ?
[09:13] <CG> did caix devs work with them as claimed, or rip off their github?
[09:14] <virtuallann> they just copied wallet features
[09:14] <virtuallann> no relationship per se
[09:14] <@chazzer> virtualann -------This is to be my public resignation from the CAIx Foundation
[09:14] <CG> a partnership was claimed by stuhlman.. are you saying that is false?
[09:14] <virtuallann> stuhl tried but after the copy i think it left a bad taste in their mouth
[09:14] <CG> ah.. so copy first, tried after... nice
[09:14] <virtuallann> the SC guys said in bct there was no partnership
[09:15] <virtuallann> there was a conversation ongoing
[09:15] <CG> missed that, ill go find it.
[09:15] <virtuallann> not privy to details on it
[09:15] <@chazzer> not done enough damage yet mate . why dont you just keep quiet here
[09:15] <CG> as an investor, i want to talk to him
[09:15] <virtuallann> im just answering legit questions
[09:15] <CG> since none of you will answer my questions
[09:15] <@pieterjanvh> yes
[09:15] <@pieterjanvh> let him answer questions
[09:16] <virtuallann> ill do the best i can
[09:16] <@pieterjanvh> right...
[09:16] <CG> did stuhlman pay for the titan?  or was it donated?  or was the btc for it donated?
[09:16] <virtuallann> he said it was donated im not sure though thats just what he said
[09:17] <CG> do you believe these "investors" were ever real?
[09:17] <@chazzer> you got a cheek coming back in here after what you posted , you turncoat .
[09:17] <virtuallann> all i know for sure is that there is a knc invoice posted on bct
[09:17] <virtuallann> so the order itself is legit there is 1 titan
[09:17] <virtuallann> really chazzer?  did i lie about anything in my post?
[09:18] <CG> Ignore the trolls, thank you for coming here
[09:18] <CG> I want answers and they werent giving them
[09:18] <virtuallann> for as long as they let me
[09:18] <@chazzer> it's not that fact of the content of the post mate
[09:18] <@chazzer> it's the post itself
[09:18] <CG> Do you believe that these investors were real?  Most of the BTC money we are supposed to get was "donated by investors"
[09:18] <@pieterjanvh> I will let u answer everything virtuallann
[09:19] <virtuallann> well then if u cannot refute the facts iv posted as false you dont have a moral standpoint to hide this from public holders
[09:19] <virtuallann> thanks you pieter
[09:19] <virtuallann> yes as far as i know the investor(s) are real
[09:19] <virtuallann> those investors no longer associate with caix though
[09:20] <@chazzer> you held it for long enough and only spilled the beans after you sold out firat , selfish twat
[09:20] <virtuallann> although they have relations with 1 or more members though other channels of interaction
[09:20] <virtuallann> lol im still holding 17k chazzer
[09:20] <@chazzer> so dont be coming along like the good samaritan
[09:20] <virtuallann> good samaritan?  like you, who would continue lying about all this?
[09:21] <virtuallann> good on you
[09:21] <@chazzer> then your silly to yourself
[09:21] <@pieterjanvh> ok, let's just stick with answering CG's questions please
[09:21] <@chazzer> i never lied , i just dont say anything
[09:21] <CG> I can't think of any more.  TY for letting him answer.
[09:21] <virtuallann> lie of omission is still a lie
[09:21] <Cryptowolf> What happend to caix
[09:21] <CG> Near as I can tell, sounds like we all got fucked.
[09:21] <CG> Even if we get the dividends, we still got fucked.
[09:22] <virtuallann> we lost more value than we gained, or will gain if payments come though
[09:22] <CG> And the dividend payments are the only thing keeping us above 1 sat
[09:23] <virtuallann> well the majority of coins are held by a small group of people so there is not much coins in public right now comparatively
[09:23] <virtuallann> those public holders i suspect are noding
[09:23] <virtuallann> and relectant to sell
[09:24] <virtuallann> until after the end of the month
[09:24] <CG> They can't sell.  Fuck, JUST ME can't sell right now, there's barely enough orders above 10k for ME to get out
[09:24] <virtuallann> if they want to come clean and put out a new roadmap there is a chance people may stay on board
[09:25] <virtuallann> i and others had ideas for this but they were ignored
[09:25] <virtuallann> anyway.  any other questions?
[09:25] <CG> I told two foundation members a fucking month ago that #1 priority should be keeping people staking after dividends were paid.. they both agreed.  how the fuck did you drop the ball on that?
[09:26] <virtuallann> well staking is its own reward.  node paytments would keep people holding more agressively
[09:26] <CG> 1% of ZERO is still ZERO.
[09:26] <virtuallann> i suggested splitting up the btc over 2 or 3 months to keep people holding.  no luck
[09:26] <CG> and caix will be zero in no time at this rate.  where is stuhlman
[09:28] <CG> What a shit show.. I swear to God.
[09:29] <CG> Some of us actually paid for BTC with real money.
[09:29] <armin22> true dat
[09:29] <CG> We didn't score 10k at one buck a piece
[09:29] <virtuallann> me included
[09:29] <armin22> CG, theyre always here
[09:29] <armin22> stuhlman loves to lurk
[09:29] <armin22> barely answers
[09:29] <virtuallann> that was a majot problem with the foundation.  lack of access to the boss for answers
[09:30] <CG> well, he better get on this shit.  he's mismanged this from the beginning... ive called him out on it several times.
[09:30] <@pieterjanvh> no armin22, he is not
[09:30] <virtuallann> major
[09:30] <CG> he always promises to do better, well.. hes fucked it up royally it appears
[09:30] <virtuallann> 2 major issues caused the downward spiral. first was the crappy pool, gave caix a bad name
[09:31] <virtuallann> 2nd was the SC fiasco
[09:31] <virtuallann> then after that the foundation found out about no other titans coming
[09:32] <armin22> 3 shitstorms in one
[09:32] <virtuallann> then the other things as posted on bct and i had it
[09:33] <CG> One last question, who has the BTC that we are supposed to get paid with?
[09:33] <CG> is stuhlman in control of it?
[09:33] <virtuallann> we know the address.  i dont know specifically who has ownership[
[09:33] <virtuallann> therefore cannot say for sure we will get pid
[09:33] <virtuallann> im hoping
[09:33] <CAIxPool_> what's the BTC address for it?
[09:34] <CG> im wondering what the likely hood is of him seeing all this go in the shitter, and keeping the btc.
[09:34] <virtuallann> ud have to ask the foundation to supply that
[09:34] <CG> from what ive seen, it wouldnt surprise me at all
[09:34] <CAIxPool_> Has anyone followed it back in the block chain?
[09:34] <virtuallann> not me, dont know about others
[09:37] <@chazzer> <virtuallann> ud have to ask the foundation to supply that <----------------this makes me laugh   so good of you to care not to divulge information ... lmfao
[09:37] <virtuallann> so go ahead and divulge it champ, im not on the foundation
[09:38] <@chazzer> you didnt seem to care about any other information you divulged so why stop now
[09:38] <@chazzer> chump
[09:39] <virtuallann> sorry guys i think chazzer doesnt care if u get the info or not.  you can see what kinds of behavior is going on
[09:39] <CG> exactly
[09:40] <CG> what happens when you put 16 year olds on a "foundation"
[09:41] <virtuallann> i personally had no interest in hunting down addresses and transaction histories for it
[09:41] <virtuallann> other people did that
[09:43] <virtuallann> i will be back in a minute to see if theres anymore questions