This is not comparable at all, I think. Shops reject 1 and 2 cents coins because they can't automagically get a 10$ ticket out of a thousand of them. On LN they can.
And this was not about payments but about forwarding fees. Even if you can see an utility for payments too (pay-per-call on an API for example).


Again, not comparable : my point that these tiny amounts may become valuable in a fraction of seconds. That is again true for a forwarding node or a payee for an autonomous service.


Absolutely, I think the need for those tiny amounts is already present today, and it might be even more with a price increase !

Hypothetical question. If I provide larger channel capacity in LN , but with moderately higher fees required, would you choose to pay my fee to complete payment "in a single shot"? Asking for a friend.

https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/releases/tag/v0.10.0-beta

There's the other question that you could be paying a higher fee to be deanonymised... One of the perks of the ln goes if everyone cna use a certain node to route through.

I know this was their plan and it takes a while for my phone to load all the routes even at the moment (to sync I mean) but is there a way to disable it if you wanted to be more anonymous?

To disable what ? MPP ? To be more anonymous how ?

For personal use, I believe you're right. For merchants to handle high-volume of transactions, I believe high-liquidity/higher-fee channels will be the right choice. They shouldn't let the customer wait.

For those 1/2/3 sats/byte transactions waiting for DAYS in the mempool. If they were in Lightning, formed like an "organized mempool" waiting to be confirmed back onchain, they would be going back and forth instantly, possibly for lower fees. Why are merchants so slow in adopting it?

https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#0,24h

It's not only about the merchant but also the consumer.
Companies want profit and pioneering is lower on the list. If your potential buyer is not that LN savvy might not be the right time to implement it I assume.
Most need serious market research before they can pitch LN to the board/investors. That's what you get when you have some stubborn old farts with serious equity in the company.

easier to use --> Yes.

cheaper to fund better connected --> Tough to say, I can put BTC.1 into a channel between my node and a larger peer (say ln.pizza)  and then BTC.01 into a smaller one and be done. Never had any real issues spending receiving except those that did turn out to be caused by me in the end. Not saying there were no issues, just that they all turned out to be "Dave can't read or follow directions" issues. But yeah, funding bluewallet and being done is probably easier.

easier to empty --> I use Ride the Lightning so it's just a click on a webpage.

Just my view. For a newbie it's probably easier. But, Loyce I have seen the work you do scraping data and putting stuff together it's amazing. You are manipulating a ton of data and have a ton of programming behind it. Don't tell me you can't have a Raspiblitz or mynodebtc server up and running in less then an hour. (Not counting sync time)

Stay safe.

-Dave

Plus for non-hobbyists/ordinary users, it's very convenient. Running your own node, staking your own coins, and balancing your channels, is a specialization that requires some level of skill, not present in all Bitcoiners.

It's why I believe being a liquidity provider in Lightning should be made financially justifiable to maintain the node.