bitcointalk is great for myriad things; however, actual trading discussion with traders who really know their shit isn't one of them.

Are you serious or are you being sarcastic here? WSB is pretty much mostly stock market memes LOL.

Tell you what though, if there's an actual group with actually heavily knowledgeable people concerning trading, chances are, it will be private. Public trading-focused subreddits like r/bitcoinmarkets and r/ethtrader are definitely not great places to get information from. Hence I'm a heavy advocate for personal due diligence.

I get where you are coming from, you need people to tell you the next best trade but remember trading decision is all your most of the talk about trades are noise. I can't think of any forum that is solely focus on Crypto trade but there are some selected few traders on twitter that are real winners that you can follow

I should agree. If you go to sections such as trading or speculation, what you can read are more or less bare ideas without much technical explanations or analysis. But then supposing you will eventually find a certain forum, channel, group, or whatever which is made up of legit or even full time crypto traders, I'm afraid you will still end up saying, "this is not the best place either." I mean, for sure there are kind of premium channels with legit crypto traders. But it is certainly one thing to be a legit crypto trader and quite another to actually earn from it.

There must be a reason why bots sell.

Bitcointalk and Tradingview are the best IMO. Reddit is kinda okay, but there are so many trolls there.

Bitcointalk is one of the best forum that you can learn something or many things especially on what you are finding just like trading,mining and investing or even gambling.
You can go on trading discussions in order to post some questions about traders and if someones have a good answer on your thread then maybe it would be good if you will have a direct message to him/her using the bitcointalk forum.

Wall Street is a thing but the market there is very different. Bitcoin is not stock that has a product behind it. In a way, it is a product, in another way it is a means to obtain any product (if we consider Bitcoin money). Moreover, The crypto market is decentralized, and trading occurs online on various exchanges. Not to mention that many people might prefer not to disclose that they are successful traders of cryptos for legal or simply privacy reasons. Finally, Bitcoin is largely unpredictable, so it's hard to say if it's even possible to trade and be consistently successful. So I don't think it's possible to find a group of professional BTC traders. Chances are, you'll find scammers.

There'll always be people not knowing wtf they're talking about, they are everywhere. The best way to know something good is, as nicely put above, personal conversation with someone you think (and others as well) is competent and willing to evolve. It's also good to mutually share this experience with someone in similar position to you, trust is the main priority though

In my experience, real pros seldom share market advice or picks. They avoid market saturation to keep things fresh. This is a big issue with high frequency and algorithmic trading where multiple bots utilizing similar algorithms saturate markets reducing profitability. That trend does apply to cryptocurrency trading as well. With whale traders tending to play their cards close to their chest and not really publicize their sentiments on markets.

I haven't seen anyone really vocal in crypto who is both knowledgeable and contains a background in trading successfully, over the long term. There are plenty of smart and knowledgeable people on this forum. This is the best place I've seen for information regarding bitcoin and crypto. Aside from here, there aren't many places known for dispensing that type of info.