I use JoinMarket. It is an implementation of CoinJoin. I run the "yield generator" so that other people can mix my coins with theirs. I am in complete control of my coins. There is no reliance on a third party and I don't have to trust anyone. Running the yield generator is completely free, but you have to run a node..

What mocacinno said.

Outside of Wasabi which I've also used myself(though they also have some degree of censorship), there's a reason why ChipMixer has fully moved their service to the Tor network. That way, they'll be significantly harder to take down.

NOTE: Other chipmixer sites other than the .com are scams.

I was looking a few days ago to see if there were any good new competition to chipmixer and couldn't really find anything. Wasabi coinjoin seems to come up a lot but wallets can get a lot of data from their users and I don't know how much I'd trust that - in case you get a virus, could it see your history or join yours without you knowing because another system got compromised?


I'm wondering how much of a drawback this might be and I'm still not sure. It means it's harder to use on a lightweight client (perhaps apposed to services like bisq which would let you convert to xmr/grin and then back later without needing a long sync) - but I'm not sure if bisq suffers privacy issues for being spv (which is the reason reddit seems to give for joinmarket needing a node).

Joinmarket looks like quite an interesting new project and it'll be interesting to see how that develops - especially if centralised mixers become easier to censor.

regulators are treating all tools promoted as privacy enhancing as suspicious..
this includes mixers, jumbers, AEC(anonymity enhancing currencies (monero/liquid types of coins)
and also siderchains and subnets(layers) and tools deemed as scaling solutions that are advertised as having privacy features

they are not hand picking only a certain service by name. they deem them all as suspicious..

so when users use these services then expect exchanges and MSB that are regulated and regulation compliant to red flag funds that used those services

this means by using them. you are not hiding.. your actually getting highlighted

the trick is to use things that have certain features as a side product of something else. but dont advertise themselves as a mixer/privacy enhancing tool.

Me neither. Seems more like a feature.

It doesn't suffer on what it's trying to accomplish (oppositely to some project we already know now more), that is privacy preservation. Bisq allows you connect to your own node: https://bisq.wiki/Connecting_to_your_own_Bitcoin_node. Communication between maker and taker is also end-to-end encrypted: https://bisq.wiki/Dispute_resolution

Probably one of the biggest factors in these cases are the fact that the teams(or at least some members) of both Wasabi and Tornado are doxxed, hence easily pursued by the authorities. It would definitely be a different case if the entire teams of both platforms are full anon.

For any true, trustless privacy, running your own node is a must. It might be seen as a drawback, but it is also a necessity.

Meh. They'll change their statements and their rules whenever they like to suit their ulterior motives of neutering bitcoin and controlling their populations. We shouldn't rest on our laurels and assume that we will never need anything beyond coinjoins for maintaining privacy and censorship resistance. Coinjoins remain very open to attack, not least of all from the centralized coordinators themselves, as we've seen with Wasabi.