The difference is it reaches new ATH that is much worse than before. Fee might go down but not too soon.

Coinomize just recently sent the campaign payment and it has 0.0055 BTC as fees which is more than $150, so i guess managers/owners can but not as always as this.


If there is an option,  why not.
But the main problem is your tx fee when you send it later on to an exchange or wherever you want. Most recommended fee is $55 as of writing, might be better if exchanges supports lightning deposit too,  well, there are already some like kraken and bitfinex but im not using them for KYC requirements reason and it's unfortunate.

Maybe it doesn't matter to the manager because they have the budget, but of course it will definitely set sat/vB for example below 50sat/vB and it will take a long time to receive confirmation.
But what is clear is the decision of the manager and the company team.

Both don't matter if I want to pay or my own lightning network will definitely accept this payment option.

But the casino and mixing still don't accept bitcoin lightning network, so participants can't directly send their btc directly there if the lightning network is an option, of course, they have to go through an exchange first before they deposit back to the casino or mixer.

In my opinion, Segwit will still be the best because participants will be free to send BTC anywhere, while the lightning network is still limited, there are only a few exchanges that accept it, while for casinos there is no LN.

5. Use Paypal!  

I don't think there would be a greater insult to a bitcoiner on this forum than having to get paid in Dogecoin instead of Bitcoin and not because of some funding problems but because, wow, right now the Doge network is better at doing transactions.
Seriously how would we even dare to show our faces here or ever use the word shitcoin if we're forced to use such a thing?

As for the centralized solution, just wow, as I said, why not Paypal or let's just use bank wires?
Seriously I can't believe what we've ended up discussing here, this is just crazy!

Multiple solutions but not a single good one.
1. It is not ok that campaign particpants pay fees from their pockets
2. Lighting is still quite complicated, I don't even know how it works with multisig wallets like we are using for our campaigns
3. Altcoins are just a new set of problems. You can't even have your campaign set up in service section then
4. Not your keys not your money, never gonna go there

So far only viable one is to just pay the tx or maybe do biweekly or monthly payments if all participants are fine with that. Hope to see some more solutions that I did not think about.

When your favorite T-shirt has strains but you have to go out immediately, what do you do? Either wear a new t-shirt (altcoin for bitcoin) for a while or wear that t-shirt and cover with jacket (Lighting Network for bitcoin).
By the way, right now you tell me that Litecoin is better than bitcoin, don't you? Bitcoin is the store of value, we can look at litecoin like its supporter in terms of transactions. Here is the guy @coblee, let's ask him
If we don't want to increase block size or implement lighting network or change something, then bitcoin won't really succeed. I sometimes think that people are very conservative here.

1. Why is not it okay? If I support bitcoin, I don't mind it. The cost of fee is not a problem for me, the problem is that some people abuse the system and I don't want to financially help them, that's all and that's why I prefer Lighting Network in this case.
2. So, if something is complicated, should it be ignored? What's wrong if we enlighten ourselves more? It's not that complicated.
3. Idk if that is a problem, you have been here longer than me, probably you are right, I'm not arguing.
4. It was a joke man and I think you could clearly read that I even said that it shouldn't happen.

Not only on the management side is the problem. Even campaign participants like don’t want to spend my Bitcoin on my wallet since the fee consume a huge percentage of my money. I’m ok watching my Bitcoin value goes down since Bitcoin price is dipping rather than accept a realized loss of 15$ just to sent my Bitcoin on exchange to spend it.


This is a good solution because we are already forced to hold due to the fees and I think the majority of users here is not using Bitcoin as main source of income or else they will suck up on a realized loss on fees.

Each manager has a different character although most of them are not used to coordinating with their participants changing campaign rules midway through. You're right, managers have rights and participants have to decide for themselves whether to accept those rules or leave and join another campaign.

But what's the harm in finding a solution together instead kick your participants out when maybe the participants can suggest you a better solution?

This is a great solution because I think all participants will understand what the reason is. Getting paid weekly, biweekly or once a month is fine for me as long as it's a good solution to agree on, but of course there's a lot more solution to hear than this one.

Nearly impossible to convert them to regular bitcoins and the exchange I use don't accept LN. Sometimes I use my bitcoins to pay my bills and I need to convert them to my local currency. If I get my payments via LN then it will be very hard to do that. Campaign managers can easily solve this problem if they use some other currency other than BTC. LTC for example is as widely accepted as BTC and it is pretty fast for now. Instead of making things complicated, use something else till BTC gets its shit together.

An important topic for discussion indeed, given the high fee hikes of the past days this is a really important question.

Yesterday when I tried to transfer some bitcoins that I receive in my wallet from the campaign I was surprised that the high fee is about $30!!! I was really amazed!!! I reduced the fee to a minimum but it was about $8!!!
It doesn't make sense to pay $8 to transfer $100 from your wallet.

As for your question, as a participant in signature campaigns, I have no objection to receiving payments in the Bitcoin Lightning Network because the campaign manager currently pays very high fees.