Acceptance 1st, other things later.
As more people businesses accept LN more people will want to design things around it. Otherwise people will find other things to integrate with.
If I know that there are tons more places to spend LN then I would be more inclined to have it as an option. As of now there are a lot, but more is better. You need to get to that tipping point where it's everywhere. Then programmers will just start to integrate it into apps by default.

-Dave

I've seen some forum members as well kicking against the use of the lightning network but i want to believe that they are yet to fully understand the role of lightning network in bitcoin ecosystem, if you consider the reason why the lightning network was initially introduced was to make transactions complications go easy with the use of layer 2 protocols, now how do we encourage for more use of this, there must be an increased adoption first, more corperate organizations, industries and companies including government need to join hands in this massive adoption, by then, we would have gotten enough numbers of those that will implement the massive use of bitcoin lightning network in their own system all over the world.

I didn't say there will be a discount but I did say to put apps that use LN inside our smartphones.  Take Uber why pay only with cards and not LN or again airbnb, eBay, amazon all these are apps that could potentially use LN (obviously they won't for now) but if someone is developing an app that uses a payment then put LN in the your app.  You don't necessarily have to open channels or self-host a node but also use custodial wallets and send almost instantly or onchain or exchange in your own currency but in this way you will still have fed the network and incentivized the developers through fees.  Don't always be hostile to change, don't think it's always wasted energy.

axctually you do need to improve it

el salvador tried it and seen how broke it wasn. and yep within 3 months they stopped using LN as the behind the scenes system of chivo..

also just having an app on millions of phones is like a fake sibyl node count. pretending its popular but not used much.
and when idiots do use it and its still broke those idiots wise up quick and see its buggy and flawed and has bottlenecks and not 100% payment successes. and they too drop it and start slinging insults about it on many review sites. and there is no recovering from that

yep many people who are LN advocates tried returning to el salvador saying they fixed a few things so can el salvador give it another try.. el salvador said no thanks

and now the guy at strike ran off with the tail between his legs distincing himself from el salvador pretending he had no involvement in their LN trials..

learn from your mistakes. stop repeating them by saying "we dont need to fix mistakes, lets just get more people to try the broke system and hope devs come along to make it better after"

if something is broke fix it. if you cant fix it admit it and try something else

LB is not the solution to bitcoin congestion because LN will never be able to handle the value amounts bitcoin moves per transaction

for instance.. lets use the latest bitcoin block whilst im typing this(790620)
total BTC
11,565~
total Value
$313,615,468

Average Value
3.9497887817 BTC

then look at the average channel capacity of routing.. it cant cope with payments of ~4btc each
do the math. the liquidity of routing is not there to handle bitcoins load

edit
but didnt you just say

you do know what a custodian is right?.. a bank.. a financial service

I believe we already have a lot of wallets or apps that supported the lightning network but the major problem is that the lightning service hasn't gotten the needed hype to make it known to every Bitcoin holder and based on my belief I think only the BTC community are fully aware of the functionality and benefit of the lightning network which is the reason why most of the wallet/app that supported LN never get much traffic.
In the meantime, if an exchange like Binance supported LN we may see some change.

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When read the article almost close it because the first statement on there was about digital cameras and phones which is not what I wanted to read. If you're the writer of the article make the amendment.

try to learn before defaulting to ignorance

el salvador first tried what they thought was "bitcoin" via a chivo wallet. but it actually used LN channels not bitcoin network.. so using LN as the back bone of payments they gave it a try. however users experienced liquidity bottlenecks and lost connections to channels which meant they lost value. this made the chivo developers have to quickly stop letting people use the chivo wallet by december 2021 whilst they redeveloped the chivo wallet
they decided by january 2022 to use a CEX (exchange custodian called alpha) as the balance manager of chivo value without the LN stuff. where by balance was swapped in-house. and users would only get to touch bitcoin if they requested a withdrawal. which most people chose fiat instead becasue LN ([pretending to be bitcoin adoption) left them with a bad taste in their mouth in 2021

you might wanna learn the history if you ever want to dare learn from history. becasue relying on ignorance is just how history repeats itself.. as the LN lemmings are learning with strikes second failure in nigeria.. which he too is trying to run away with tail between his legs AGAIN

yep strike was singing its own praises of its own involvement of el salvator adoption mid 2021. then the complaints started by el salvadorians by december 2021
then strike ran off and didnt say a word until late 2022. saying he moved on to nigerian propositions.. then in 2023 strike wanted to say how he was not involved with el salvador at all and its nothing to do with his business..
then his nigerians proposals didnt flourish. so now he is back in 2023 trying to get back into el salvadors good graces again for a second attempt.. which he is only able to get a second step in the door becasue this time he is bringing along bitfinex.. LNs biggest liquidity holder and (for strike) the hope that it will be enough for el salv president to give strike another chance.. hoping el sav government will swap el saves reserves from 'alphapoint' to bit finex to then hope balance holders at bitfinex then request LN withdrawals via strike so he can claim fees as a middleman of all payments in and out of el salv <> bitfinex

so yea. maybe you should try learning some of the history. good and bad and ugly. it will help you..
.. dont just read the dreamy utopian hype. or you wil never learn the truth

(technically bitfinex will want to be the custodian LN channel balance owner giving el salv citizens inbound balance)

I don't think you should have a problem with Binance, or any exchange making LN more popular by adding it to their exchange. Exchanges SHOULD be using LN because right now they are the main place Bitcoin is used. Why wouldn't we want exchanges to help popularize LN?

Also exchanges allowing deposits and withdrawals on LN likely would mean people using larger channels/capacity because if you're trading you're probably not only trading a couple hundred bucks worth of Bitcoin. So that helps the LN not only become more popular but also helps the node capacity grow and therefore improves LN scaling, since capacity is the scalability bottleneck of LN.

We don't actually need more new applications for Bitcoin Lightning Network. Having new applications has pros and cons. Not all new applications will be good in security and operations especially very important problem with potential holes in their wallet security.

If current Lightning Network applications are good (secure) to use, I would like to not touch a new application and take more risk with it.

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@mendace, You can't use your stance to judge what everybody in the Bitcoin community wants. Therefore, you ought to speak for yourself and dont say " Nobody wants more LN wallets we don't need them". Why is the Binance integration of LN will be the biggest defeat for BTC?
@thecodebear In situations when there's an issue people will always seek alternatives and this is what I believe triggers Binance's planning to integrate LN.  I think if Binance integrates LN it will make LN known outside the BTC community because people are unaware of it.

Because it would be like having thousands of car models each doing something better than the other and ultimately having no roads to drive them on, that's why I say we don't need new portfolios, do you feel the need for other portfolios for LN?  While for Binance obviously it will be a defeat if people get to know LN through this, and if you haven't figured it out yet then you should try to study the real mission of Bitcoin and not answer with such absurd things.
Binance is the largest centralized exchange at the moment but it has nothing different than FTx or the rock trading will come its time and fuck the money of poor people because not your keys not your coins so I don't have to say more if you can understand.


Excuse me why should they display here we accept LN?  Isn't it enough for you to know that they accept Bitcoin?  It is a layer to make Bitcoin transact if the merchant does not know LN then it is our duty to tell him about it and make him understand the advantages, otherwise what are we for?  Just to write two posts in this forum?