Bitcointalk username: Trofo

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I started my journey with Mixin Safe tutorials and chosen How to use Bitcoin Core GUI to create safe. I have skimmed trough past reports and seen that very few people went with this approach so wanted to do it that way.

I started following the steps from tutorial and immediately found first problem – Login to Safe Dashboard is not a link. I mean whole WWW is made from links, is it that hard to link to it inside the tutorial instead of making user look for it? Of course first hit on google is taking forever to load and I am already loosing patience since I am not even sure it is the right page I am trying to open. After some more googling I found the right page and continued with dashboard.

In order to create safe I have made two separate Mixin messenger accounts and linked them together and inside the safe. This part I will keep intentionally short since it is foolproof and many people already described it in great detail. Anyway, Mixin messenger installation passed without any problems. Only strange thing is that upon installation I received 4 messengers from the team and 2 of them were copies. Another small mistake but one which shows that team does not care about details. Never a good sign. App asked me 4 times to confirm pin which is really an overkill. I could understand third attempt to make it extra sure but 4th one just made me feel like my time is totally unappreciated, and that feeling has not left me during whole time I have been using Mixing products.

Problems started when I needed to use Bitcoin Core Gui  in combination with Mixin dashboard. I believe tutorial has some mistakes since copy pasting the commands did not work for me both in Gui and Daemon.





I managed to make it work by manually typing the commands and guessing my way trough like there is no tutorial. My biggest problem with this step is that is so easy to solve. Just take a look at next picture. Dashboard knows I am using Bitcoin Core, is it that hard to provide correct commands and parameters inside the code window or in separate one? There is no need for tutorial, just simple copy paste from this page should have everything needed to make it work. I mean I feel like I could code it one day and it would save so much time for customers. Another point where I feel like team does not care about customers. Furthermore, I am quite certain than none of them tried to make it work with Bitcoin Core, otherwise my above mentioned suggestion would already be implemented in same way.

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After creation of safe everything worked as it should. It is easy to top it up and balance change is seen inside Bitcoin Core immediately.



My next "problems" started at the moment I wanted to withdraw the money. Approvals from messenger applications passed ok and were quite straightforward again.


But whole process is incredibly slow and taxing to perform when BitcoinCore is owner wallet. Is it really only possible to be done with this many copy/pasting, being careful to include all that is necessary up to one character and combining info from dashboard and tutorial at the same time?



Again this should have been handled in much more customer friendly way. In the end I managed to complete the transaction and I immediately deleted all the messengers and bookmarks since this is the process I don't want to pass trough ever again.

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Conclusion:
I am really at a loss to see who is supposed to use this service. It is much too complicated for newbies and overly cumbersome for experienced bitcoiners, especially in combination with the warning "This is test product, don't use it for more than 1000$". I have my own bitcoin node running and have been using bitcoin core extensively during recent ordinals craze. Without that knowledge I don't think I would have been able to make it work.

This review is maybe a bit too harsh, since I purposely tested something most people will probably not encounter but after doing it, i can only advise fellow users to never try the combination with Bitcoin Core. Furthermore it is so much easier to accomplish similar stuff with simple bitcoin multi sig wallet. I need 2 minutes to set that up and I have all the private keys while here I lost an hour and was never sure what is private and what isn't.

I can see this service to be of use for other coins where multisig wallets aren't native and customers aren't using Bitcin Core as owner wallet. As it stands, unless something gets done I think it is better to drop the support for Bitcoin Core than to make customers go trough this process.

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Users:
Deadline to submit your review is until 20/08/2023 @ 23:59 UTC


@coupable and @Beparanf please remember your extended deadline is 15/08/2023 at 23:59 UTC

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Once we have reviews from all these users those are in this post, we will successfully complete the 100 reviews for Mixin Safe. I can't wait for a happy ending.

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Bitcointalk username: Porfirii

REVIEW

I have been testing the apps for a few hours while my transaction was confirmed, and I think that it is time to write my review. Sorry for the delay writing it, but the deposit was taking ages, because of my fault.

Mornin Key:

This is the first time I hear about this service, so I decided to create an account for 0.99€ to satisfy my curiosity. In fact, I think it is a good thing to charge a little amount because, otherwise, what other ways do they monetise a free app? I prefer the paid choice. The key manager is very simple and, therefore, very easy to use, yet well built. If I have to be completely honest, I think that I will uninstall it soon, because I'm very traditional in the way I manage my keys.

It was fun but a bit unnecessary when it asked me a fourth time for my PIN. Hard to forget now... It also surprised me that the App lets you secure the account "later": in many other cases you are forced to secure the mnemonic before letting you continue with the process.



Asking for the telephone number as the only way to register is a bit annoying and disturbing, as well as asking for several authorisations that don't make you feel comfortable.




Mixin Messenger:

Very simple App at first sight: just the wallet and chatrooms. It is convenient to have the option to pay your friends directly via messenger, and I'm sure that other big companies will add payment features too, when they make the decision whether it is better to do it with fiat or their own token. In the meantime, tools like the reviewed can be useful for new crypto users who join this journey together and want to make the experience more social. Of course, not the most safe and privacy oriented method, but still useful for a segment of users.

The design and UI are beautiful, but other members complained about the night mode I didn't use.

I also made a few friends there, like the well known worldofcoins and the mysterious "Devid".




Mixin Safe:

For the review, I chose the 2$ option, but it is good to see that if you want to upgrade your plan in the future, there appears clearly that the 2$ you paid will be discounted.



The activation of a Safe was almost instant, and although I had some problems with my BTC deposit (the fees proposed by my wallet were too low and I didn't double check the mempool before accepting, so I'm really sorry for the late review) the withdrawal process was fluid, as expected.



This is the first time I know about this concept, and I like the easy way it offers to use signature and multisig for a cheap price to less technically experienced users. Having to sign with PIN and scanning QRs was interesting.

A few considerations: it is hard to find how to make deposits: when you click on + Receive Deposit (in the middle of the screen) it routes you to withdrawals, if I'm not wrong. You have to go to Safes > Receive, instead if you want to make a deposit.



On the other hand, it is not very intuitive the way to delete a transaction: you have to of through a few steps until you're able to do it: it might be better to have a delete button in the list of transactions.

Although the process was not difficult, it worries me that all these steps can discourage less patient users who might prefer to have all the features in one App. On the other hand, the apps were quite intuitive to use and the interface beautifully designed, imo. Concerns about security should be taken into account before using these apps, like other members said before me.

Bitcointalk username: xLays

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Looks like I'm the 1st one in this review campaign to use your products using and iPad (iPadOS version 16.3.1). Also instead of providing screenshots I recorded all the actions I've done along with everything needed for this review campaign (Did some screenshot instead of recording since it takes time).


Review for website: https://safe.mixin.zone/

All went smoothly. Meaning all clickables or hyperlinks are working. I checked all social media accounts, all fine. No problem at all.
You can check what exactly happens when I visited the website here:

I didn't include chat support conversation in the video because waiting for the chat support took so long. The good thing is that while I was waiting for the reply from the chat support, I could actually play a mini-game which Flappy Bird. This is my very first time encountering this kind of chat support which very nice idea. But after playing the Flappy Bird the chat says that I was disconnected. (This one should be fix)

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Mornin Key on Apps Store (TestFlight)

Compared to my review of the website (https://safe.mixin.zone/), this Mornin Key from the App Store's TestFlight is a disaster using iPad (iPadOS version 16.3.1).
• The passcode key doesn't fit on iPad screen while on landscape (Portrait looks good).
• Since I can only save my secret seed phrase through a screenshot to make it easy for me to find it, the problem is that when I switch back to the tabs for screenshots and then return to the Morning Key App to put the seed phrase it takes me back to the passcode area and so on.
- My recommendation for this is: don't let your users type again and again the passcode. It's kinda annoying.
• I tried to create another account in Mornin Key with same account name but different Uppercases/Lowercases they allowed me to create the account without requiring me to save the Mnemonic Phrases. But the good thing is, you can look back at the Mnemonic Phrases for that account by clicking the account name and again the ask for passcode.

Here, the iPad video record what happens during my registration and creating a new account on Morning Key TestFlight app.

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Mixin Messenger IOS

I installed Mixin Messenger on both iOS TestFlight since it is free there and Android. Installing, viewing QR wallets and QR Mixin contact, creating a pin (4 times to confirm the pin), adding contacts, receiving/depositing, and sending/withdrawing crypto with all those different OS went perfectly smoothly.

Mixin Messenger Android

I really like how you've designed the wallet balance interface. It looks quite similar to popular competitor apps like Trust Wallet, which is a good thing. But what's even better is that your design seems to improve upon that concept. The way it looks and how easy it is to use.

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Add Mixin Messenger Contacts & Emergency

I attempted to capture a video or screenshot during the process, but my Android phone has prevented me from doing so with the message "Can't take screenshot due to app restrictions." This is actually a positive feature that ensures user privacy.

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Depositing & Withdrawing funds from other platform to Mixin Messenger

Deposit

I transferred TRX from Stake.com to my Mixin Messenger's TRX address the process went smoothly. I just had to wait for a short while, which is typical unless the network is congested. It's important to note that this isn't a problem with our app everything seems to be functioning as expected.


Withdrawal

I attempted to withdraw funds from your platform, but I decided not to proceed due to the unexpectedly high transaction fee. Can you imagine withdrawing 29 TRX and having to pay 80 TRX for the transaction fee?  This is far different other platforms with in comes of transaction fee. The difference in fees was quite significant, and it made me reconsider whether I should proceed with the withdrawal process.

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First off, I did all the Mixin Messenger thing on a Mac, and used Mornin Keys on an Android device. Thought I should leave this here so that people should know that the apps still work smoothly regardless of the OS difference.

Downloading Mornin Keys

This is the first thing that I downloaded and saw that it will cost me a dollar to install. It's an efficient little confirmation tool that communicates most of the requests fairly quick. It's great that it also allows you to use the biometric security feature of your phone rather than having you input your password every time you change apps on your phone.



Preparing Mixin Wallet/Messenger

This one was fairly easy: the https://safe.mixin.zone/ page neatly displays a QR code and some pointers on why you should use Mixin Messenger. Everything was smooth leading to this point until I was hit by a road block:



I couldn't quite continue from where I left off after I tried creating a wallet. Little have I realized that the dock of the Mac was blocking whole "Next" button which will allow me to proceed to the next step. I wouldn't comment much on the placement of that little button but it will be a little better if that button was somewhere close on the "Network" tab. It took me a good 5 minutes to realize what the problem was, and I found it accidentally when I tried to switch between desktop and saw the blue button during the transition.



This is what it looks like without the dock. I know there's a lot of free real estate at the bottom of the page but then again..

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Anyway, moving forward. Things were still going smoothly and I haven't noticed anything that will be a road block for a new user should they decide to use Mixin messenger. The next step requires one to confirm or 'authorize' the creation of a new safe by scanning the QR code through Mornin keys. Scanning takes a quick second and the authorization process went by quickly. This step only took me a minute to get past to.



This is the next step that you'll get once you have scanned the QR code displayed on the Mixin web app:



And this is what it should look like once Mornin keys recognized the QR code:



I know that people are used to apps that automatically authorizes things when they scanned a QR code. Note that Mornin keys does not do that, and you have to manually click the 'Authorize' button that appears on the floating window after the app recognizes the QR code.



Authorization takes a few seconds to complete, and the Mixin web app will automatically move to the next step once the authorization is done. This is what it looks like from Mornin keys and the Mixin web app at the same exact moment (I'm not exaggerating this):





Afterwards, you will be redirected to the third step which will ask you to upgrade your plan. I know, it sounds something that requires money again, but the prices are on the low side considering that you'll get something secure for all your transactions. For the basic plan, it costs around $2 which is a good price if you're looking to test whether Mixin Messenger is for you.



You have the option to add contacts wherein you can designate them to be one of the signature holders for a multi-sig safe. You are not required to add more than 1 signature holder for each safe you create, so I opt to stick with 1 on the above picture.

Once you have paid the amount indicated on the checkout page, you will then be greeted by this page:



You need to scan the QR code on your Mornin keys in order to finalize creating your safe. Once you have scanned the QR code in the webpage, the Mixin team will send you a message on the mobile app indicating that you have successfully created your safe.



The notifications, however, are not as instant as opposed to the confirmation back-and-forth between Mornin keys and the Mixin web app, but that's not an issue. After you have created the safe, you will be transported to the home page of the web app and you now have the option to view your safe.

For the purpose of this review, I have intentionally created a blank safe, or something that I haven't upgraded the plan of to check how it looks like if you have a pending safe creation. It's neat that they thought of saving your progress on every safe you have not finished as you have the option to delete them or continue them as you like - whether you are waiting for a new contact to create their own Mixin messenger for you to add them as a signatory in one of your multi-sig wallet. Whatever the case is, your progress is there right where you left off.



Sending a transaction

Now these next few steps aren't complicated, too. If you're using any typical wallet for the last few months/years, the processes are the same.

1. Choose which safe you're going to use the funds from the transaction.



2. Input the address of the receiver you're going to send the funds to. You can just use the old copy and paste trick to complete this step. No QR codes involved here as I'm using the Mac web app version.



3. You will have to open your Mixin messenger and scan a QR code after hitting the Approve button on the lower part of the screen. The page also shows you the members required to authorize the transaction that are involved in the creation of the safe. It's a neat way of showing who needs to sign what. Members of the safe will also get a notification that they need to sign or authorize something.

Again, not hating on the web design. I know it's placed there due to the amount of white space on the bottom part of the page, but it would be easier if they placed it somewhere near where most of the details on the transaction are placed.



This is the QR code you will have to scan on the app:



4. Once that's done, the blue Approve button will turn gray:



5. You will be transported to the last part of the transaction. You will have to use Mornin keys in order to authorize the whole thing that you just did in Mixin messenger. It's a nice way of making sure that the transaction is extra secure, and that no one who might have access to your Mixin messenger can complete the transaction themselves. An extra layer of security is always welcome.

Oh and did I mention that it's neat that they have the QR code changing every second? This is the first time that I saw something like this, tbh. Great use of that existing tech!



6. The following image is what will appear on your Mornin keys once you have scanned the changing QR code. Again, you will have to manually approve the whole thing by clicking the 'Approve' button on the floating window:



And you're done! All you have to do is sit back and relax, wait for the confirmations to fill, and then check your receiving address if you got the btc.

Some key takeaways:

• Extra layers of security before having a transaction finalized is pretty neat.
• Communication between Mornin Keys and Mixin Messenger and its web app is really, really quick.
• Positioning of some buttons on the web app can be optimized for better readability. It would be a problem for users that have big screens as they would have to look further before proceeding to the next step.
• There are tons of back-and-forth between different apps, so it's better to have two devices if you want your transaction to be as smooth as possible, but it's not a necessity.

Conclusion

If you are just a normal user who occasionally sends or receives bitcoins and YOU'RE NOT running a business, I don't see a point in using Mixin messenger. But, if you're someone who values security and always wants to feel secure with your every transaction, then this is for you. Given that nowadays, there are tons of snooping bots, malware, and other similar software existing that aims to get your crypto from you, Mixin Messenger blocks those attempts and lets you transact in peace.

Lastly, please fix that 'Approve' button, Mixin team.

Bitcointalk username: Swordsoffreedom
REVIEW:

Mornin Key-
It is a really good app for protecting keys and account data. The software is open source, so anyone can check out its transparency and decentralization nature for themselves. It is clear from Mornin Key's website that they do not mirror the user's data and the user is also allowed to use his data to any other decryption software he chooses. The fact that Mornin Key supports Arweave is really great news for me, since I'm a huge fan of storing my personal data on the blockchain, so if a user wants to store his or her data to a decentralized storage network for future use, he or she can do so. This is a really nice and useful app with a lot of unique features. I really liked it.

        


Mixin Messengger-
This is a really cool dApp with a lot of essential features that are very useful. The app seems to support buying cryptocurrency using fiat currency, so I think it is all in one app, and you will find everything you need in it: Messaging, fiat to crypto, explorer, deposit/withdraw crypto, transfer crypto P2P, and much more in a single app.

One thing I want to point out is that Mixin does not support Oklink and Heco exchange. In fact, these exchanges do not support Mixin at all, so you should avoid using these networks to deposit your Mixin wallets.

As you may already know, you must use your local phone number to sign up for Mixin Messenger. Therefore, if you somehow lose your phone number, you will automatically lose your messenger and wallet as well. I would strongly recommend that when you sign up to use the service you remember this one thing, use only the phone number to which you have full access, and if you lose that number you have the right to reclaim it. According to what I have seen so far, they support emergency contact by which the user can change his phone number to a new one, even if his old one has been lost.

This feature allows you to add bots to the Messenger, just like Telegram, which makes it very easy to use messenger and do all the tasks. There is a feature that allows you to backup and restore chat to local storage, this will help you transfer chat to other devices and desktops.

            


Mixin Safe-
I discovered that the Mixin Safe provides a higher level of safety compared to a Hardware wallet. With its implementation of multi-signature and timelock technology, it serves as a secure sanctuary for storing your valuable coins. Unlike Hardware wallets, which can be prone to loss or potentially have backdoors like Ledger's recent recovery update, the Mixin Safe embodies the essence of Bitcoin's principle of decentralization.

In the realm of Mixin Safe, a multi-sig system is employed, necessitating the presence of both the owner key (mornin) and the Member Key (mixin website) for any fund withdrawals. Remarkably, the Mixin team solely possesses one key, namely the recovery key. Consequently, even in the unfortunate event of losing your private key or long periods of inactivity, it becomes nearly impossible for the team to access and spend your precious coins. Thus, the Mixin Safe stands as an exemplification of a pure noncustodial multi-signature-based wallet.

        

Summary: So if you are lazy to maintain your keys but want to test the pure decentralization features you could use Mixin Safe & Mornin Key.

Bitcointalk username: Abubhakar

Mixin Safe Review


I use iPad to install Mixin messenger and Android phone to install the Mornin Key. I capture less screenshot on the process because most the procedure is just very simple and can be explained via text. I only put screenshot on details that I want to emphasize.


Mornin Key

I download this app on playstore using the download link and guide provided on the mixin safe website when I'm on the process of creating safe. Setting up mornin key account is just like the typical crypto wallet which you will have seed phrase for your account recovery. The ability to store multiple keys at the same time is the best use case for this app because you can save multiple keys on a singe place just like a vault. You can switch account easily and all of them supports easy account switch for each keys.

I use Mornin Key twice during the creation of Safe since it's the required app to become owner and to approve withdrawal transaction which both work smoothly without any error or delayed encounter after I scan the QR code.


Mixin Messenger

I encounter a display error on Mixin Messenger on iOS version. The flag for Philippines is not correct. I double check it on android version of Mixin Safe and the flag is correct on android. You can refer on the image below. That is not a Philippines flag.



Moving forward, I create my account using my personal number while I didn't receive the code at first try. I manage to get the code on the second attempt right after the countdown reset.

I add my friend here in the forum as contact to test the messenger feature. I send text and image without a problem although sending image here consume a little bit of time to upload compared to popular messaging up since I upload same image to test the speed for comparison. One thing I really like and I use the most on this app is the convenience to transfer account to different device such as phone or desktop. It only requires QR scan in able to transfer account on other device.


 
I head over to the wallet to test it out. Take note that I'm using both iOS and Android to see the difference. I just notice that the feature to see connected dapps is not available on iOS while it's just the same account on my android. I'm not sure what's the reason behind this but I will leave this question here.



After I inspect both messenger and wallet feature of this app. I use this to be a member on my safe that I created, It only need one scan and everything is reflected on my mixin safe. I approve the withdrawal transaction using this app on my safe without any problem encountered.


Mixin Safe
After I download and setup my account on both mornin key and mixin messenger. I login on mixin safe website using my mixin messenger account by scanning the QR code. My Mixin messenger automatically create an account on mixin safe right after scanning the QR code on the login page.

My first impression on the mixin safe website is it's very neat that makes it very easy to use. The display is not flashy because it only use plain white background but it's ok for me because this makes easy to browse all the feature because everything is display properly without any flashy display as distraction.

The safe needs to be upgrade first before you finish to create your safe. I just hope that this payment option should be display on the first step since the mixin safe website has no other purpose than safe which means user automatically needs to pay before they can use the website feature. This will save time for user in case they want to pay in advance and setup safe later on since Bitcoin transaction sometimes confirm very slow while you can't use the safe while your plan is not upgraded yet. I wait for my transaction to be confirmed first which consume more than an hour just to activate my safe.

The premium plan price is very fair since it offers free withdrawals and the free withdrawal increase on every higher plan.



I made deposit on my safe and safely withdraw it without any error encounter. My safe balance is updated quickly after my deposit receive confirmation. I can withdraw immediately too even my deposit only has 1 confirmation. My withdrawal is confirmed quickly since they are using high transaction fee which is cool for a free withdrawal feature.




Suggestion

Since this is multiple member approval safe and every member need to access the mixin safe website to approve the transaction, I suggest to have a chat feature inside the mixin safe itself so that every party only need to focus on the mixin safe website on communication if they need something to discuss further instead of picking up phone again to open mixin messenger apps to discuss.


Conclusion

Mornin Key, Mixin Messenger and Mixin safe are sync to each other since the QR code scanning works smoothly. I don't encounter any problem or delay on the whole process because the apps and the safe website is very easy to understand.

You missed your deadline. Please have an extended deadline until 20th August 2023 @23:59 UTC. That's the best I can do.

@komisariatku, you also have the deadline of 20th August 2023 @23:59 UTC.

Once you three submit your review then we will have 100 review completed. 97 reviews in the last 4 weeks was something extra ordinary. Let's get those remaining review and close this campaign successfully.

Cheers,

Bitcointalk Username: Komisariatku

Mixin Safe Review

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Preparation
Like the instructions on the mixin site, the first step that needs to be done is to install the Mornin Key. I downloaded the morning key in the playstore by paying a fee of IDR 15,000. I can do everything easily

 

After installing the morning key, the next step is to install the messenger mixin. I installed messenger mixin via playstore. I can do all the processes easily, and one of the requirements for registering is entering my phone number. I did that, although to be honest I don't really like this method

To login to the mixin wallet I need to create a password. I did that process and pinned up to 4 times, I think mixins have strong security so pins need to be entered up to 4 times. I honestly love the wallet, the app supports multiple coins. I tried to deposit a small amount of dogecoin here, and it worked fine



Mixin Safe
To access mixin safe, I enter the site address https://safe.mixin.zone. I logged in by scanning the barcode code available on the mixin safe website. When logging in to mixin safe using mixin messenger, in the application there are many permissions that must be approved and in my opinion mixin messenger can spy on all activities in mixin safe. I don't like it, like there is no privacy in it

 

After successfully logging into mixin safe, I'm honestly confused what to do next. I opened one by one the menus on the site and found how to make a safe. I click on the new safe, enter the name and network, then scan the barcode with the morning key, and upgrade by paying a fee as stated on the site.

 

In my opinion, the steps for making mixin safe are quite complicated, especially if it is done by someone who is new to bitcoin. Although, I like the security, the more complicated mechanisms lead me to believe that mixin safe is really safe.

Conclusion
- The process of registering to mixin safe is complicated
- Privacy is questionable, to be honest I prefer Mixin Messenger not spying on Mixin Safe activity
- Although the process is complicated, I'm pretty confident about its safety
- Good configuration between mixin safe and mixin messenger

SUPERSAIAN, please check your PM and refund the 0.003 btc to the address given in the next 24 hours to avoid negative feedback. This leaves us with a new opening spot. Please apply. I will pick one in the next few hours and your deadline to submit the review will be in 25th August @23:59. Depending on your reputation I may send your reward after you finish the review (considering the experiences so far, it's those one or two people who will always ruin a good experience)


@SUPERSAIAN, I will leave you a neutral feedback stating that you are not fit to keep your words and doing business with you means wasting valuable time. If there are no refund in the time then a negative feedback will be added with an scam accusation.

Edit: Your campaign manager was asked to hold any payment you earned or is going to earn from the signature campaign until you refund the 0.003 BTC