short version?

at any given time half the WO regulars are drunk and the other half might as well be drunk.

I don't know either between the local board or the wall observers that has the highest numbers of merits distribution each day, there's nothing about that, but i wonder sometimes that the bitcoin discussion board hardly earned enough merits as other boards being mentioned, merit may not be disbanded from any board but the simple task to do is to report any suspicious merit phishing act seen on any board irrespective of the user involved.

I attempted to address some of these supposed concerns about purported abusive merit source members in my response in Bob's "parody, but not parody" thread that proclaims that I am the bleeding-heart, irresponsible, merit-distributing (rewarding) problem.

Its been mentioned a few times already but its because a lot of merit sources hang out in that thread, and anything pro-BTC or pro-number-go-up is deemed eligible for a merit. That in itself isn't the problem. The problem is that this phenomenon attracts a lot of lazy shitposters (and their new alt accounts) looking for merits to rank up, and that is the only reason they participate in that thread.

The end result is firstly a lot of unnecessary spam and secondly the empowerment and multiplication of lazy shiposters, much akin to the creation of a beggar culture. Its developmentally crippling for these users and if the bleeding heart merit givers really cared for these people they would stop enabling them -- stop teaching them that spamming, sucking up and kissing ass pays.


This is a great impartial observation.

Are you reading this Wordyman?

If you saw people mindlessly copy/pasting Twitter posts in any other thread, would you merit them there as well?

One of the issues account farmers face (and there are too many account farmers in the forum) is the manner in which they will try to receive merits. If they use the higher ranking (Full Member/Snr Member/Hero/Legendary) accounts they already operate to give out merits they will end up getting connected with their alt-accounts. The safest way for them to receive merits would be try to get other members to send them.

Not entirely but much activity in the Wall Observer thread has morphed in to an educational session for newbies and account farmers on how to spam and hope for merits.

The notion they will eventually receive merits for flooding copy/paste from Twitter/X has enabled the culture to thrive. Ranking-up threads used to mean something back in the day, now they mean nothing more than an attempt to get more merits rather than a mechanism for recognition for the contributions they have made in the community.

The threads created to give out merits for worthy posts that are reported to them are a force for good if they are used properly. There are several threads like that but when they are flooded with members who are operating as part of account farms, it simply does not bring the benefit the merit sources had intended.

Just look at the state of the thread here: Save your nice merit records here - LAST UPDATE: 12/07/2023

It was a nice idea to have that thread for reasons it was created for but lately it has been flooded by a huge number of relatively new members seeking merits for posting about other members merits and activity. In many cases there were no nice merits to save but some members used (and still do use it) to post anything they can hold of but ultimately they are seeking merits. It is for that reason many low ranking members started posting non-memorable records usually of much higher ranking members rather than Jnr Member or Member accounts because they hoped to get merits.

Not just the merit givers but as a collective we have to stop teaching them that spamming, sucking up and kissing ass pays otherwise we are sending out the wrong message of encouragement.

aside from @infofront's light touch, WO is a more or less a moderator free zone per theymos

They are everywhere, and they know how to take advantage of every place. But not all those who voted No here are Shi** posters, many members think that Merit should not be disabled in WO thread for a member to freely use merit for this purpose. So they voted No here. On the other hand, many members abstained from voting. So it expressed their personal opinion by voting, while many members abstained from voting and took a neutral position.

This is not entirely true. If you look at the warning, you can see that the topic is not moderated for some simple violations, but gross violations can be reported to the moderators.



And, as I see it, the point is, on the one hand, to preserve the special atmosphere of communication in the topic, but on the other hand, not to make it so that some spammers start using it.

Regarding your use of the term "credible," there is not even a standard (requirement) that a merit source needs to be credible.. but if there is any requirement it would be something like the merit source ONLY need not be abusive in exercising his/her merit sending discretion, and mostly in the arena of not selling the merit.... or perhaps not engaging in quid pro quo behaviors (or I suppose the appearance of quid pro quo behavior could be problematic, too).  

Any other standards that merit sources "need" to follow would likely merely be something like NOT promoting the breaking of forum rules or engaging in some kinds of conduct that might end up bothering theymos.. since as far as I understand, theymos continues to exercise his own discretion regarding who to appoint as merit sources and also he can remove any merit source at any time for any reason or for no reason at all.

Nutildah suggest that since there is already a practice that disallows signatures to be displayed in the WO thread, therefore merits should also be disallowed, since in this case, some of the smerits that are being received in the WO thread are being used to allow members to participate in signature campaigns. .and really these various Nutildah arguments seem to be convoluted, slippery slope, strained and even seemingly contradictory kinds of arguments that are really difficult to make sense of when you really figure out the impacts of implementing anything he is suggesting, which and would end up in merit restrictions imposed on newbie members or even more senior members or even disabling this one particular (WO) location on the forum in which historically the vast majority of the smerits have been already been circulated (and circulating).

I am pretty sure that the smerit sending/receiving statistics have been pretty consistent on the fact that heads and tails above any other thread(s), the WO thread circulates the most merits for the past 5.5 years (since the merit system went into effect).. so Nutildah's proposal (in and of itself) that is also getting a certain level of support (from seemingly jaded folks or otherwise receptive to being jaded in ways that I had already described in my earlier posts - namely being dumb, being spiteful and being elitists.. just to clarify that I am ad hominem attack anyone who supports Nutildah/Bob's pursuit of this matter hahahahahaha.. ).


I doubt that there is as much truth to the needs for bullish bitcoin related posts in order to be merited.. but it probably does not even matter.. we're in a bitcoin forum.. have you ever heard of investing in something and then cheering against it?  Well if you are participating in a forum that is about that investment (ie bitcoin) that you are bashing, you better back up your arguments with, at minimum, some facts and logic.

If someone is making some kind of bearish arguments, I likely will be disinclined to merit such a post if it is not backed up... but I might not require as much backing up from some bullish arguments... that's true.. that's true.

SO FUCKING WHAT?

Members are allowed to merit for any reason that they like - as long as there is no quid pro quo types of elements.

You also might be insinuating that merit sources are biased towards pro-bitcoin ideas.. or even that such pro-bitcoin ideas of the merit sources (and even the merit senders) are even worse in the WO thread.

SO FUCKING WHAT?

You are a lame little turd.  #nohomo.  Do you even know where you are at?  

Maybe you should restart your computer, and then conscietiously and manually re-log into each of your webpages so that you can clarify that you are not mistakeningly believing that you are in the NFT pumping thread... with your daddy dildah^** promotional pieces rather than a bitcoin forum.. and even a bitcoin specific part of the forum.. namely the WO thread?

 

**by the way, it just struck me that daddy dildah is a much better name than uncle dildah.. it rolls off the tongue much better, and you will thank my later, perhaps?


Doesn't it seem like you might be exaggerating a wee bit, here?  Playing into your own hatred of newbies?.. and even patronizingly believing that you are a better person to be making judgements in regards to human interaction intentions..


I almost fell of my seat when I read this part.


I doubt that joker_josue is saying exactly what you consider him to be saying.. You seem to be suggesting that he believes that there is some kind of inconsistency with my behavior that needs to be resolved - but instead he seems to be suggesting that there is some kind of inconsistency in the accusations that are being made or even the resolutions being proposed..  and sure he can choose to clarify this matter (objective observation as you suggested it to be) more, if needed.^**

**So, I see that it seems that joker_josue did clarify this point in his post responding to this post.


In regards to your implications that I might be employing different standards in different threads, there could be some truth to that.  If you had not noticed, different threads have different topics, and their topics could affect the extent to which any forum member (including but not limited to yours truly) might consider a post within such different forum threads to be merit worthy - and sure it likely is true that I am way more liberal in regards to considering almost any topic to be potentially merit worthy in the WO thread - in part because, if you might not have noticed, almost any topic goes within that thread - except pumping shitcoins.. or perhaps some somewhat obvious breaches of forum rules?  

Have you ever tried to report a WO post? You will receive a dialogue box that specifically reminds you that the rules of the WO thread are different than the rest of the forum.  

We should feel lucky that the forum has a place like the WO thread that is almost like a troll box and free to throw around almost any topic related or maybe even not as much related to bitcoin.. even though many of those of us participating in that thread are not very tolerant towards shitcoin pumping even though from time to time some active participants still do engage in such shitcoin coin pumping things in that thread.. but it seems to be way (I mean way) the fuck less than it was in 2015, 2016, 2017.. at least it seems to me that the WO thread has gotten better in several ways over the years - but of course, there are always going to be some dynamics that exist that might not even result in as much participation from some elements of the bitcoin community, so we may well be reliant on other members (even seemingly troll-like members and new members or even seemingly bad intentioned members) to post some of the happenings that are taking place in other places around the interwebs.

Seems to me that we are quite lucky to have a place like the WO thread on the forum, and some members are complaining and trying to ruin a good thing.. and maybe that's why we cannot have nice things?   have you ever thought of that daddy dildah?  

Edited:  about 12 hours after the original post, I made several clarification edits.... and some of them might have changed my tone or even bolstered some of my earlier substantive content.