yes that's the key. as long as there are people that will buy them off of them. they'll burn tires or put up solar panels or any number of crazy things just so they can turn a profit at the very end. i really don't think they care about "securing the network" in other words.


if bitcoin was the only game in town, maybe i would be more inclined to think of it as "money" but there's litterly tons of cryptocurrencies. they can't all survive. and i'm not sure bitcoin has any advantages over some of them. so why would i want to put all my money in something that might end up going to zero? kind of a rhetorical question for people who are "all in" with bitcoin. but i know they don't worry about that since they think its just always going to go "up".

On what basis do you assert that the demand for gold will never go away, and that the demand for bitcoin will go away? Are you from the future or do you have a crystal ball? What evidence do you have to prove what you say will happen in the future? Or just pure guesswork like me or anyone else?
I don't like to hypothesize "if" because you also failed to acknowledge it when I hypothesized that gold will no longer be needed in the future. Likewise, the disappearance of computers will never happen.



You think bitcoin will be replaced, so what will replace bitcoin? To me, this world is very large and colorful, anything can happen, nothing is permanent.

Oh wow, you finally getting the hang of it! A whole new kind of money, right? Like Monopoly money, only... not worthless and infinitely reproducible? And here I thought Bitcoin was some kind of elaborate social experiment. But hey, at least you're finally grasping the basic concept. Slow clap for you.

Don't you get tired of playing dumb? If I take a piece of paper, put the digit "1" on it and someone pays $70.000 for that paper, that's not value but price. Value can only be assigned to something actual - gold, debt, liability to redeem, picture, company, computer program, patent, etc. In the Bitcoin system you have nothing actual. The system just calculates numbers, assign them to addresses and shows them on the screen. Digits are all that you have after "buying" or "mining Bitcoin". This is literally like having Monopoly money. And of course, digits are infinitely reproducible. Look, 1356367885433.... i can do that until the cows come home. It's hilarious how a guy set a system to sell you digits, you bought them, and now you're forced to play dumb to hide the fact that you participate in the dumbest invention in human history.

Ideas are something actual, computer programs are something actual. But when you pay $700,000 you didn't buy 10 ideas or 10 computer programs. You bought two digits -  "1" and "0". In other words, you bought 10 units of a number 21 million. Units that count nothing actual. It is crazy how you Bitcoin evangelists keep mentioning actual things, such as gold, paintings, collectables, ideas, computer programs,.. but are unable to answer what actual thing do you have when you bought xx BTC units. And when simple syllogisms show that you have nothing than you engage in ad hominem attacks, play dumb or simply trolling the discussion. You're a perfect example of such behavior.

Hahaha. Let's tray again: what actual thing do you have when you bought 10 BTC units for $700,000?

I say you have nothing actual in the amount of 10 but two digits, or 10 units of a number 21 million. You have what I can get right now by pressing two keys on the keyboard.

But you keep insisting it is something else. Then it's simple: what is it?

Other Bitcoin evangelists said it is energy, work, a commodity, a collectible-like thing, token, coin, digital asset, but couldn't show anything except digits on the screen. Now you say it is a ledger, suggesting that you bought 10 ledgers. This is stupidity of a high order. There's only one ledger. It is stored on many computers and free for everyone to download. Why would you pay for something you can get for free?

So, you play stupid. You know very well that you have nothing in the amount of numbers shown on the screen. You know the truth. But you're to embarrassed to admit that. To admit that you participate in the dumbest scheme ever. A scheme where tons energy or money are spend on watching numbers on the screen. What's even more dumb is that you and your Bitcoin bros created the whole religion out of it and you make statues of an anonymous person that invented the scheme. It's no wonder more and more people view you as a crazy cult.

Look, you seem confused. I never said you buy 10 ledgers. Don't twist my words. BTC units represent ownership on a secure, decentralized network. You're invested in a system.
Let me ask you this analogy: When you send an email or use DNS to access a website, what are you buying exactly? It's not a physical object, but you're paying for access to a service or a secure network. Similar concept with Bitcoin – you're buying ownership within a secure, decentralized network. There's value in that. You may not see it, but that's your problem.

Now, regarding the "ad hominem" comment, let's keep things civil. Like I said, some find value in Bitcoin, some don't.  I'm not here to convert you, but I do believe in respecting others' financial choices, even if they differ from mine.


No, you actually can't. You can get a similar effect using another, more or less decentralized network, similar to Bitcoin, but it's not exactly the same.


Again, by whose opinion? Yours? Why is that relevant?

Interesting, now it is a network. First it was some magic invisible coins. Then energy, work, commodity, whatever. A now it is a network. Ok let's see. A network is computers linked together. So you're saying that when you bought Bitcoin you own computers. And if for instance I join the network to "mine" Bitcoin you own a part of my computer. But... that's not true. I am the only one who owns my computer. Owning bitcoins doesn't mean owning computers linked together. So, you talk nonsense.

Why is it so hard for you to admit something so obvious? That by buying Bitcoin you have nothing actual but just units of a number 21 million. That you have what everyone can create in an instant by pressing keys on the keyboard. And that it is stupid to spend tons energy or money to get just numbers, to have just digits on the screen. But instead, you try to find excuses for that stupidity. By doing so you embarrass yourself more and more with each new post here.

Hahaha, this is crazy. First you say that you own a ledger. Then I demonstrate how stupid it is to say something like that. Then you say that you own a network. I show the stupidity of that as well. And now, you say that you own a stake in a ledger. So, you're saying the same thing as before - that when you bought Bitcoin you own a ledger. Why are you embarrassing yourself so much? I know that you Bitcoin evangelists are brainwashed to repeat that mantra about decentralized ledger but this is too much even for people like you? Why? Why are you doing this?