Wow! That's really a shame! Not sure why here is not even mentioned in the forum. Search results only have 5 pages of topics, mostly from early 2012-2014 talking abut lighting storms and lighting boards... but nothing about the lightning network. I'm with no words!

So how people around here think bitcoin will scale? keeping fees at 1sat/vB?

Sincerely I do see this option while making transaction but had never used them to perform that transaction maybe I would say that people do not regularly use but even as that I wouldn't say it's a total waste effort or as something useless because there would be a time where people can start using it that regularly, maybe people aren't that familiar with the lightening network.

You mean scalability, which means you're pointing to the speed of the transaction and fees. Lightning has an advantage, yes, if we compare it with the current BTC network. Lightning has instant transactions and low fees, I agree, but most of the people do not use it since the current transaction fee is 1 sat/vB.
People will only intend to use Lightning when the network is congested and the fees are high. It happens during block halving. People wanted to switch to Lightning at that time, but the problem is they still need on-chain transactions to be able to open a channel. It takes long because once you transact to the destination, it's instant, but you still need to withdraw on-chain, which also takes time.

The Lightning Network still has many failures, security vulnerabilities, and bugs; it is still not a 100% 2nd-layer solution for speed and high transaction fees. For the time being, it is possible that they will find a solution to these problems, but currently I would stay using on-chain for now since the network is not congested and fees are pretty cheap.

I have also used it too for small BTC amounts especially at times when transaction
fees were very high on the Bitcoin network and it was a very effective low cost
alternative at those times.

I also know people who have never used it and probably never will.



You are correct in a way, there doesnt seem to be much chat on the forum around
the Lightning network. Todays Bitcoin transaction fees are very low so its possible
the Lightning network is not used as much.

Despite some improvements being made, it is still too complex for average users. I have used it before and was impressed with the speed, low cost, and privacy, but payments weren’t always reliable and would sometimes fail or get stuck somehow. Doing basic troubleshooting when a payment randomly got stuck, like closing and restarting my wallet, would lead to force closures and then I had to wait for weeks for the mempool to clear and receive my funds back on-chain.

This is not the kind of experience that will draw users away from altcoins for smaller sized payments. Nobody wants to deal with liquidity management, zombie channel cleanup, and unreliable payment routing just so they can buy a $5 gift card.

A post I made back in 2018 ( https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/2852931.msg29271658#msg29271658 )

I highly encourage anyone who's not familiar with the LN or even those that are but want tp brush up on it , to check this link out.  This got a lot of praise from some of the most skilled cryptographers that were around at the time.  I am not that lol, not even close..but I posted a link to a medium discussing the fundamentals of the LN ..which was written by a former "friend" . ..and it's just incredibly well writte/laid out/explained. 

I used to run my own Lightning Node complete with channels, but I had to liquidate it in order to cover costs elsewhere.

I still have some sats on Coinos and Stacker News.

I even bought my own LN address: Zenul_Abidin@nostr.com (Maybe there was an underscore not not. I may have a few more, but I don't remember much about them anymore.)

Not sure what triggered your hunch, I'm still really bullish on it... a bit of flat line, but hey, still here up and running. check it yourself here https://mempool.space/lightning or here https://bitcoinvisuals.com/lightning for validation


I guess you have no reason to use it with your community or merchants in your daily life. Otherwise, you'd use it. Or is onchain only for you?


It make sense, hope the experiment was worth the learning experience for you. We just probably need to onboard more shops around us to make, not only LN but bitcoin itself be more known and accepted as a medium or exchage.

I have to be honest & admit that I have never used LN. I will do in the future but at the moment I don’t have a desire to. I don’t use Bitcoin to pay for goods, I just buy & hodl. In this moment I just don’t require to use LN.