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    May 21, 2025, 03:03:48 AM
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    Been watching the market movements lately and can't help but notice how much influence corporations and nation-states seem to have on crypto these days. Remember when this space was all about individual retail investors and decentralized communities?
    Now we've got:

    Major corporations adding BTC to their balance sheets

    Central banks developing CBDCs
    Countries like El Salvador and others adopting crypto as legal tender
    Institutional money flowing in through ETFs and other investment vehicles
    Tech giants launching their own blockchain initiatives

    The market seems to react more to what BlackRock or a country's regulatory announcement says than to community developments or tech upgrades.
    Question for everyone: Do you think crypto has fundamentally changed now that corporations and countries are major players? Is this good for adoption but bad for the original crypto ethos? Or is this exactly the kind of mainstream recognition the space always needed?

    I'm personally conflicted - more capital and legitimacy is great, but I worry about whether the decentralization principles can survive when the biggest movers are centralized entities.

    What's your take? Has crypto lost its way or is this evolution necessary?

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    May 21, 2025, 03:22:21 AM
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    Yeah, it used to be “power to the people”… now it’s “power to the people with Bloomberg terminals and regulatory lobbyists”

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    May 21, 2025, 03:57:42 AM
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    IMHO, there's nothing deviating about it that corporations and the government have or are gradually coming into the adoption process. It has been what we needed, more like a necessary evil that bitcoin needs to grow in price value. Because they adopt it doesn't mean they can control it. As much as the decentralised feature exist then the ethos is still intact, there's no cause for the outrage.
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    May 21, 2025, 04:09:48 AM
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    It was inevitable. Before the institutions, crypto exchanges were ruling the markets and they still do to some degree. But now, it is a whole different game. Microstrategy buys hundreds of thousands of btc, El Salvador is in the game, Blacrock offers many crypto based products and even Donald Trump has a position and that is arguably the most powerful man in the world at the moment.

    Don’t be sorry though. That’s the natural way of things. When wallstreet smells the money, they won’t let it go. That’s why those institutions are involved with btc. They have smelt money and there isn’t another smell they love better than money.
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    May 21, 2025, 04:20:45 AM
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    But we wished for this, right? And what this would do to Bitcoin's price?

    Anyway, this isn't a fundamental change to Bitcoin. Bitcoin remains the Bitcoin that we appreciated many years ago. This is the same Bitcoin that the likes of StrategyBTC and BlackRock and countries believe to have a bright future. And it is there for everybody to get hold of and make use of. It doesn't have a committee to gatekeep it from certain actors and players.

    What I'm sad of in this setup is how the price is somehow put under the dictates of institutions. Perhaps, as individual hodlers, we should accelerate our purchases because the whales are coming. That's probably our only way of taking advantage of their entry to the market.
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    May 21, 2025, 04:50:07 AM
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    The decentralization principles will survive as long as the network aren't controlled by single pool https://miningpoolstats.stream/bitcoin and retails hold their own coins.

    Quote from: Cryptoddler on May 21, 2025, 03:03:48 AM
    The market seems to react more to what BlackRock or a country's regulatory announcement says than to community developments or tech upgrades.
    Question for everyone: Do you think crypto has fundamentally changed now that corporations and countries are major players? Is this good for adoption but bad for the original crypto ethos? Or is this exactly the kind of mainstream recognition the space always needed?
    Because the community developments mostly don't give any affect to influence Bitcoin usage.

    Few developments that influence the usage are multi-sig, native segwit, and taproot. The latest development was silent payments, but it's for privacy, most people doesn't care with privacy. Even cointelegraph didn't have any article about silent payments where they supposed publish any new thing about cryptocurrency.
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    May 21, 2025, 06:20:17 AM
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    Quote from: mindrust on May 21, 2025, 04:09:48 AM
    It was inevitable. Before the institutions, crypto exchanges were ruling the markets and they still do to some degree. But now, it is a whole different game. Microstrategy buys hundreds of thousands of btc, El Salvador is in the game, Blacrock offers many crypto based products and even Donald Trump has a position and that is arguably the most powerful man in the world at the moment.

    Don’t be sorry though. That’s the natural way of things. When wallstreet smells the money, they won’t let it go. That’s why those institutions are involved with btc. They have smelt money and there isn’t another smell they love better than money.

    I agree with the last points made - it's like showing some meat to the bear.

    Eventually, he is going to find said meat and eat all of it, after smelling everything in between Grin

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    May 21, 2025, 06:30:59 AM
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    Not entirely yet but we are heading in that direction and I believe the only reason for it is because people wanted it to happen for some weird reason. We can see over the past couple of years how many people were excited about ETFs to be introduced, how many still get excited when some centralized company talks about buying bitcoin or how some politician talks about buying it.

    Now we can only hope for decentralization in a different form. Meaning if one country bought bitcoin or started controlling a high hashrate, we should hope that other countries do the same so that "power" doesn't centralize in one country under one regime.

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    May 21, 2025, 06:34:02 AM
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    Quote from: Cryptoddler on May 21, 2025, 03:03:48 AM
    What's your take? Has crypto lost its way or is this evolution necessary?

    First of all, I expect you to be specific here, you're talking about cryptocurrency in general and it involves altcoins which most are being centralized, but the focus here should be on bitcoin because it's decentralized.

    Bitcoin is still on track and has been increasing in adoption over the years, it is evident in all aspects as you can see how institutions and government are now adopting bitcoin for reserve currency and ETFs, not to talk about how each individuals has been using it, which I see not a reason for it to be controlled being a decentralized currency, you can independently choose when to sell, buy and how much.

    Nothing changed about bitcoin as it remains decentralized.
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    May 21, 2025, 06:34:39 AM
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    Quote from: pooya87 on May 21, 2025, 06:30:59 AM
    Not entirely yet but we are heading in that direction and I believe the only reason for it is because people wanted it to happen for some weird reason. We can see over the past couple of years how many people were excited about ETFs to be introduced, how many still get excited when some centralized company talks about buying bitcoin or how some politician talks about buying it.

    Now we can only hope for decentralization in a different form. Meaning if one country bought bitcoin or started controlling a high hashrate, we should hope that other countries do the same so that "power" doesn't centralize in one country under one regime.

    I don't think it would go to one country, imo, because the talks of it would spread like wildfire, and countermeasures would be found by other countries wanting the prestige and profit too Wink

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    May 21, 2025, 06:41:05 AM
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    Quote from: Cryptoddler on May 21, 2025, 03:03:48 AM
    Been watching the market movements lately and can't help but notice how much influence corporations and nation-states seem to have on crypto these days. Remember when this space was all about individual retail investors and decentralized communities?
    Now we've got:

    Major corporations adding BTC to their balance sheets

    Central banks developing CBDCs
    Countries like El Salvador and others adopting crypto as legal tender
    Institutional money flowing in through ETFs and other investment vehicles
    Tech giants launching their own blockchain initiatives

    The market seems to react more to what BlackRock or a country's regulatory announcement says than to community developments or tech upgrades.
    Question for everyone: Do you think crypto has fundamentally changed now that corporations and countries are major players? Is this good for adoption but bad for the original crypto ethos? Or is this exactly the kind of mainstream recognition the space always needed?

    I'm personally conflicted - more capital and legitimacy is great, but I worry about whether the decentralization principles can survive when the biggest movers are centralized entities.

    What's your take? Has crypto lost its way or is this evolution necessary?
    Well, the truth is that evolution of cryptocurrency must take place and that's what is going on since the introduction of spot ETF, since the acceptance of regulation by government agencies and since countries now accept it as a legal tender as well as have gone ahead to create a Bitcoin/cryptocurrency reserve and even own mining farms just to mine crypto currency in large quantities.

    Every individual crypto currency investor would only do themselves some good by DCAing or picking any available strategies that suits their style and act on it because the price would keep getting higher due to the influence of larger institutional and government investors.

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    It's inevitable - so it cannot be undone if we don't like it or don't want it.

    We can only continue what we are doing already and keep track of the updates we will see down the road.

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     #13
    Quote from: fikrett on May 21, 2025, 06:20:17 AM
    Quote from: mindrust on May 21, 2025, 04:09:48 AM
    It was inevitable. Before the institutions, crypto exchanges were ruling the markets and they still do to some degree. But now, it is a whole different game. Microstrategy buys hundreds of thousands of btc, El Salvador is in the game, Blacrock offers many crypto based products and even Donald Trump has a position and that is arguably the most powerful man in the world at the moment.

    Don’t be sorry though. That’s the natural way of things. When wallstreet smells the money, they won’t let it go. That’s why those institutions are involved with btc. They have smelt money and there isn’t another smell they love better than money.

    I agree with the last points made - it's like showing some meat to the bear.

    Eventually, he is going to find said meat and eat all of it, after smelling everything in between Grin
    But it isn't a bad thing that's happening na, to even start with, retail investors aren't different from whales only that the whales have the resources to buy much which makes their buy or sell decision have great effect on the movement which f bitcoin price. With more investors coming into the system and the price of bitcoin continuing to go up, the whales will continue to gain influence in the bitcoin sphare and their influence will continue to affect bitcoin price.

    As retail investors that are not at the level of whales, instead of sitting back and watching them only influencing the market while we look helpless, joining them to buy some chunk of BTC while bitcoin is still relatively at an affordable rate is the best thing to do. Even the effect of government's policies that affects bitcoin are all indicators of the effect of using money and power to make more money which is the edge that whales and cooperation have ahead of ordinary retail investors.

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    Quote from: Pi$$ on May 21, 2025, 06:48:00 AM
    But it isn't a bad thing that's happening na, to even start with, retail investors aren't different from whales only that the whales have the resources to buy much which makes their buy or sell decision have great effect on the movement which f bitcoin price. With more investors coming into the system and the price of bitcoin continuing to go up, the whales will continue to gain influence in the bitcoin sphare and their influence will continue to affect bitcoin price.

    As retail investors that are not at the level of whales, instead of sitting back and watching them only influencing the market while we look helpless, joining them to buy some chunk of BTC while bitcoin is still relatively at an affordable rate is the best thing to do. Even the effect of government's policies that affects bitcoin are all indicators of the effect of using money and power to make more money which is the edge that whales and cooperation have ahead of ordinary retail investors.

    Logic is here, I agree - BTC is for everybody, big or small alike, so we cannot be angry or scared due to the whales coming into the game - if anything, it says that the adoption came a long way to achieve such a feat.

    And it won't stop anytime soon..

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    I'm not sure that the crypto markets are controlled by corporations & countries per say. The markets
    react to what they might do or say but its only temporary and thats the nature of a decentralised
    cryptos talking specifically about Bitcoin of course

    Quote from: Cryptoddler on May 21, 2025, 03:03:48 AM

    Central banks developing CBDCs


    These are not considered crypto IMO, they are governmental digital currencies

    Quote from: Cryptoddler on May 21, 2025, 03:03:48 AM

    Countries like El Salvador and others adopting crypto as legal tender


    Its only El Salvador and the Central African Republic who have adopted Bitcoin as legal tender,
    two very small countries.

    Quote from: Cryptoddler on May 21, 2025, 03:03:48 AM

    Institutional money flowing in through ETFs and other investment vehicles


    Bitcoin is open 24/7/365 to anyone who wants to get involved regardless of financial capabilities,
    this also means that it can traded 24/7/365. Because the markets are largely speculative they
    react to the minutest news or movements by large whales and investors.

    Quote from: Cryptoddler on May 21, 2025, 03:03:48 AM

    Tech giants launching their own blockchain initiatives


    These are essentially $hitcoins in comparison to Bitcoin. IMO its important to separate CRYPTO
    from Bitcoin. Again there is nothing to stop anyone creating their own "Coin" but for me the
    focus is on Bitcoin.

    Quote from: Cryptoddler on May 21, 2025, 03:03:48 AM

    The market seems to react more to what BlackRock or a country's regulatory announcement says than to community developments or tech upgrades.


    Correct, as above the market is very speculative and tradable 24/7/365 which adds to the volatility,
    I think I would prefer it this way rather than a very controlled, limited access alternative.

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    Not entirely yet but we are heading in that direction and I believe the only reason for it is because people wanted it to happen for some weird reason. We can see over the past couple of years how many people were excited about ETFs to be introduced, how many still get excited when some centralized company talks about buying bitcoin or how some politician talks about buying it.

    Now we can only hope for decentralization in a different form. Meaning if one country bought bitcoin or started controlling a high hashrate, we should hope that other countries do the same so that "power" doesn't centralize in one country under one regime.

    The majority of the people,  institutions, and nation-states that are interested in Bitcoin don't care about decentralization. Individual and corporate investors are just concerned about making a profit. Politicians are using it to attract voters and nations buy it for profit. The former drive to use Bitcoin because of privacy is receiving less attention.

    This new kind of decentralization will be potent if nations from different blocs buy Bitcoin. I would like to see nations from the Eastern Bloc invest more in Bitcoin so that the West will not control a high hash rate. The beauty of Bitcoin is its decentralized nature; just hope it will still maintain this strategic quality.
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    All because of wanting profit and Bitcoin offers that so who is not interested? But Bitcoin is still Bitcoin even though every country or large company with capital adopts it massively will not be able to control the market completely because the main basis of Bitcoin is its decentralized nature and from volatility we get profit. I hope that balanced global adoption not only right-wing countries but also left-wing countries play a role so that one day the market cannot be completely monopolized by one block for personal gain.
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    Quote from: hyudien on May 21, 2025, 01:10:55 PM
    All because of wanting profit and Bitcoin offers that so who is not interested? But Bitcoin is still Bitcoin even though every country or large company with capital adopts it massively will not be able to control the market completely because the main basis of Bitcoin is its decentralized nature and from volatility we get profit. I hope that balanced global adoption not only right-wing countries but also left-wing countries play a role so that one day the market cannot be completely monopolized by one block for personal gain.

    As long as BTC stays with the values it has and they are not changed, everything is going to go well in the long run.

    Throughout the world, it doesn't really matter who gets the first bite - it's about staying consistent and steady in your tracks Cool

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    Is the Current Crypto Market Now Controlled by Corporations & Countries? Thought
    Actually it's easy for you to see the direction of the development of the Bitcoin market, who controls it.
    Well, if you refer to the basic understanding of the mobilization of Bitcoin prices as stated below.

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    At its core, Bitcoin’s price, like most things in a free market, is driven by supply and demand:

    Supply: The number of bitcoins available.
    Demand: How many people want to buy Bitcoin.

    Of course, companies and countries are most likely to control the crypto market, the reason: with a large-scale adoption, meaning that by buying and selling in large quantities, it certainly affects the Bitcoin market.
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    ^ There still wouldn't be someone who would want to be the "hoarder" of BTC in the real sense, because clearly, everybody is still too scared yet to think about such things yet: but we may never scratch it off.

    The amount of BTC currently held by ordinary people is still bigger than BTCs in ETFs and so on, however, it surely will change in the years to come..
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