Why do you think that the US government created bitcoin ? What was the purpose behind it ?

To answer your questions:Yes, it is still completely possible to get off the grid. It takes time and patience to do so but its not impossible.
There are several hackers even on this date that hack money off the sites and get away without ever getting caught.
Besides that, Satoshis went off the grid more than a decade ago and so it becomes even more harder for someone to catch his presence online from several years ago.

He could have been dead, that is something I can consider too. May be he went off the grid and then someone actually caught him in the real world.
Tried extorting the keys from him but Satoshi didn't let them extort the keys from himself and so they killed him or something.
The possibilities can be endless. One of the possibilities can be as you say too but there's no sure evidence that can prove anything.

You have a point, I can't disagree with it, but bro, what you are saying, would you also apply it to North Korean hackers? So far, only exchanges that are not in the West have been attacked. Why are exchanges in the US not being attacked by hackers?

But it is also possible they are not behind it, because if they were, then they would have attacked their own exchanges as well just to stop the suspicion, haha. The thing is, governments are not that sophisticated. I am not a hacker, or someone who understands encryption and all that hacking stuff. But I know there are ways for you to hide your identity.

If you are really good, then you won't be caught, and Satoshi was good.

It also raises serious concern because I have known the US intelligence unit to be very active in unveiling anonymous people (though it's mostly in scam cases). Maybe it's because Satoshi Nakamoto didn't commit any crime that is why they didn't care about unmasking him to the public. But I still doubt if the US has any hand in Bitcoin because what could be their motive when they themselves do not even have control over it. If they plan to trap everyone's money in Bitcoin, how can they achieve that when the only way to trap investors is to do an extreme liquidation including Satoshi's Bitcoins. Is the amount of Bitcoin that Satoshi and the US have enough to cause a severe panic among investors? Maybe it can, may not. The fiat currency has failed after many years of its existence, if Bitcoin fails us too then it won't be as painful as how the fiats made us feel over the years.

Cashing in the BTC would set off all of the bureaucratic alarms. In other words, that's exactly how the Satoshi Project would be detected at every level of government. And there's no chance that Satoshi would just take the money since they would fear prosecution.

It's very easy to hide a coding project like Bitcoin. It's impossible to hide money, at least at this level.

If Satoshi was a secret project within the US government, this is exactly how it would operate.


Please read the 15 other places in this thread where that myth of the "hive mind" has been dispelled. Satoshi could have just been "some guy" working at the CIA/NSA/DARPA/etc., not the President of the United States.

Most people think Bitcoin is good for the USA, not bad. And there's no way that anybody would have thought the impact of the project would have been what it was when it started, even if you did believe all of these things.

Money leaves a trail, especially $80 billion.


That wouldn't change the fact that the government owns his coins. There's no way a worker would flirt with a prison sentence using some technicality like that. Again, the millisecond there is "real money" involved in the project, all of the rules change.



Because to spend them would set off all of the alarms. The safest thing to do would be to not tell anybody.

Of course the other possibility here is that the hierarchy does know, and that hierarchy has decided it's not worth divulging a state secret in exchange for spending the current Bitcoin (which, again, would involve them telling Congress all about everything and making the whole thing political).

In any case, the fact that the coins are not spent is strong evidence pointing toward the US government...

Even that would set off alarms within a government agency.

And on a personal level, too. These are folks who make $80k per year. If they suddenly are driving a Porsche around, they get on security radar for obvious reasons. And these are also people who work in an agency whose job it is to find people who do things like this--and then put them in prison. Almost nobody would risk it.


He is profiting from his government-funded research. It's the same reason you can't invent something working for a military contractor and then sell the idea to the Russians in your spare time.

Again, all of this is assuming the "lone wolf theory", which is just one possibility here: that Satoshi was a single worker who nobody else in the government knew about. It's also likely that a whole group within the CIA knows, maybe even the CIA director, and maybe even the president. All of these modes would explain the Satoshi bitcoin not being spent.

And perhaps your own risk tolerance is a lot higher than most, but it's very very rare that somebody would want to risk prison for any reason at all.

Again, this gets down to plain old crime: risk prison in exchange for getting a lot of money. Regardless of how "sure" somebody thinks their plan is, they know there's always a possibility they will be hauled away by the police in the middle of the night for the rest of their lives. Most people don't want to live their lives that way--especially people who work for an organization like the CIA or NSA where they know it has huge staffs of experts looking at them 24/7. Almost nobody who works for these places would dare risk it.

On the other hand, if the Satoshi person/team simply created Bitcoin and let the money just sit there, then they aren't in any serious trouble (the worst that could happen is that they'd be fired, and even then... why?).

And of course all of this is moot if there was more than one individual aware of the project, which is pretty likely.

Personally, the lone-wolf sub-theory here is less plausible since, even if a worker is given latitude to do small projects (which many are), this is the kind of thing that would end up in the worker's weekly status report ("created this project called, "Bitcoin" which a few people on the internet have downloaded, we'll see where it goes). It's important to remember that nobody expected Bitcoin to be popular like it is now. Nobody would have thought they were working on something "big" in the first year of its existence at least. Hence I think it's more plausible that the secret got shared among at least a small group of people.

As for upper-level reporting, remember that secrets within the government are need-to-know. Unless somebody specifically asks, and justifies the need for their question to be answered, then nobody else gets to know. It's not like a normal private company where they send out the list of "interesting projects everybody is working on". Combine this with the culture that everybody in an intelligence agency will be part of: they don't ask questions.

There's a very fun Netflix streaming series that captures the banal reality of working for an IC agency within the US government called, "The Recruit":

https://www.netflix.com/title/81396545

This show really illustrates how things really work: nobody wants to know anything about what anybody else is doing, because the more you know, the worse it is for your job.

One thing that's interesting about the "Satoshi question" is that, while there's this intense curiosity among millions of people about the origin, the answer has almost no practical implications. The worst that could happen is that the US government would sell off Satoshi's bitcoin, which would cause a ripple in the price of BTC, but certainly not change anything structural about it.

All that said, while it's plausible that the hierarchy including the President doesn't know the secret, it's also plausible that he does (say if that president were in the crypto business himself and was curious). With that, I'll leave my post this this link :

Donald Trump Once Said The US Could Pay Off Its $37 Trillion Debt Burden With Bitcoin

I would place China alongside the US as the only other country that would spend this much money just to keep a state secret. But it seems unlikely that Satoshi was Chinese for a bunch of other reasons.

Russia is too small and the $80 billion would make too big of a difference to them.

$80 billion is less than 10% of one year's defense budget. It's less than 0.5% of the US national debt.