I don't take it personally -- its just hypocritical of you to offer a place to have a conversation for INTERESTED parties when in fact you arbitrarily and capriciously withdrew access on the mere fact that I do not own any of your coins.  That's just ridiculous -- because how would you know anyway? 

And I'm not going prop up your coinbase  by purchasing any of it because fundamentally I think what you have today is broken and I have no interest in rewarding bad behavior.  I am sincerely interested in what it could be....

-dvd

I try to be even-handed -- "tough on ideas and soft on the people"



Bitcoin has claimed the throne as the value exchange token.  There are ancillary uses that we're seeing like timestamping services et al.

As for 2Give ?  That is a very good and fair question!  In its current state Givecoin is just as broken as Karma -- I readily admit that.  What it does have going for it is, IMHO, a more reasonable number of tokens -- it has a good marketing history and I think it has the right kind of optics on its utility for charitable giving.  We intend to use the coin as the default currency within https://doabitofgood.com and leverage it to facilitate "underwriting" activity where supporters will buy coins from non-profits and turn around and re-donate them back to other causes, thus bringing about a "virtuous cycle" in charitable giving.


And herein lies the rub -- Karma as a coin for miners and investors I BELIEVE is counter to the coins purpose.  Karma doesn't want to be hoarded or be rewarded for its exchange.  Karma is meant for giving and maybe receiving some benefit for doing good.

If someone is in Karma for financial gain I can hope for nothing more than to see it crash to the point of irrelevance.  I'm just being honest here.  Not a popular position among the fanboys but I'm not one for telling people what they want to hear.


And on this point you and I are in 120% agreement -- however I worry that the ideals of the coin have and are being subverted for antithetical uses and purposes by special interests swayed (neigh, blinded) by their own self-serving interests to monetize on their efforts.


It CAN die if people stop mining it and if exchanges cease to find profitable value in facilitating it's trade.


LOL - You have a name.

It's a very fair question.  Of course any currency or asset can be used for questionable purposes.   Again however, you will be judged by the company you keep.  Bitcoin suffers from MT.GOX and Silk Road.  Don't let Karma fall victim to the same taint...


But you must clearly see that he has taken a unilateral position of power by controlling the conversation.  You can see the other posts where he offers access to that conversation but then demands fidelity in the form of an unverifiable "pay to play" position.  Just wholly ridiculous.

-dvd

just like bitcoin, your coin is no way near to come close to your goals. all you have is speculations on what route you want to take that coin. you mock east for being dictator yet your short sight a blockchain to be used only to give.

BTW Karma is not BROKEN. This is pure FUD. Its network is moving well and the trades are moving along. I am tired of people using hurtful synonyms carelessly.

Since you have taken the time to be fair to our coin let me share my thoughts on yours. you took over a coin that was designed to "profit" on the good side. it was a new FAD at that time to create  a coin to cater to "charitable" network. But old Givecoin was quickly recognized as a try to get rich schemes out of new coin good coins hype. together with clean water coin. Both of them speculated to be created to get the ROI your accusing one of our old member trying to do. Probably both created by keizer ( i can't remember his name, the thisweekscoin's guy) What ever community it tried to build it died along when the "devs" did not do anything beyond making some btcs. Cleanwatercoin did try to make something but it was never taken seriously. once new coins emerged the few "investors" it had ran to the bigger bone.

Every time you keep coming here saying Karma is broken you loose credibility on you understanding the fundamentals of how a coin breaks. It is these comments that make me worry about some one like you wanted to help Karma.

Karma is not dead or broken. Your thinking of how it is being governed that you are judging. And judging how comfortable you are point some obvious facts then it shows that you have not been around here enough to understand what we just been through.

Please stop belittling our coin community. At least our community still cares. Angry or immature as you see them they are still here expressing their thoughts. It is sad to read your Givecoin ANN thread. Watching your posts met with silence from your "also" broken community. [/quote]

 

We haven't discover yet the main focus of Karma. The rewarding those who do good is our main principle. We are being realistic here. It will not be easy to make something of Karma by purely giving coins away. What good will it do to some one if i donate them $50 dollars one time?  what good would it be to me to give out 100 million karmas so that person can receive $50. This kind of progress will not help that person and i sure will not be able to afford to help anymore. You need bussness models to create revenues and build infrastructures that karma can be used.

I am not going to sit here and argue with you while this is better. But i can tell you it would be more easier to have 1 million users donate 100 coins then one user donating 100 million coins.

Just like miner and investors, it is fascinating how so many people think they can build a multi-global network of people giving away their coins.

We can't even get people to donate coins to build services for karma now, never mind asking them to support other people.



And on this point you and I are in 120% agreement -- however I worry that the ideals of the coin have and are being subverted for antithetical uses and purposes by special interests swayed (neigh, blinded) by their own self-serving interests to monetize on their efforts. [/quoted]

Not sure what your getting at here.  


It CAN die if people stop mining it and if exchanges cease to find profitable value in facilitating it's trade. [/quoted]

if people stopped mining sure. de listed form Exchanges =! death.  


It's a very fair question.  Of course any currency or asset can be used for questionable purposes.   Again however, you will be judged by the company you keep.  Bitcoin suffers from MT.GOX and Silk Road.  Don't let Karma fall victim to the same taint...


But you must clearly see that he has taken a unilateral position of power by controlling the conversation.  You can see the other posts where he offers access to that conversation but then demands fidelity in the form of an unverifiable "pay to play" position.  Just wholly ridiculous.

-dvd
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again. you are misinformed and have been explained multiple times. trello is not a brain washing service. if you look around on some other respected coins, you can see more and more people are using as a platform to be organized.

East is not being a leader. He is being a true member of the community by continuing progress and move forward. As you can see we can not have serious discussion in this part of the thread because we keep getting interrupted with misinformed people like yourself.

We have been wanting the Karma API for months. When price was well above 300 litoshi. It is not a scheme to reach ROI . It is an effort of some of to achive a positive landmark. We have taken some huge beating and we just want to move forward.

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i tried to promise to my self to not care what people say here but some how you sucked me into spending time posting information that is already easy to find. I decided to give you some insight because you seem like you were genuinely interested. But it seems like you are looking to find content to credit your ill impression of how karma is being governed.

I guess it is part of this cryptoworld. Everyone has the right to accuse someone but not the right to do something to help out.


Dear DVD. Thank you for taking your time to look into karma. but you have now moved from being interested into trying to find something wrong with this coin. once you get your answers to what ever your after you're more then welcome to PM me and we can talk about other topics.

So....You don't own any Karma  or really have any interest in it, but you spend a ton of time here trying to integrate it into give.
Please , go spend your time on your coin and leave Karma and its current team alone to succeed or fail without causing them to waste so much time and energy dealing with these endless stream of opinions, views and criticisms.

and I'm proud to be not only a miner (who you seem to denigrate) of Karma but a buyer on the exchanges since the spring.

I, for one, am tired of the things you're posting, call me a "fanboy " if you will but really duke ....GTFO.

What an asshat you are!.....so now you want to compare hash....
Who needs the validation of their self esteem?
btw, I'm 63 and I'm certainly a man that has seen the likes of guys like you.
buzz off

I wouldn't worry about duke. just put him on ignore.. he seems to need the Karma brand more than Karma needs him.
his intention is to buy his way into controlling a coin and then switching it over to POS to favor his own ambitions.
this is very clear if you read his posts on the givecoin thread.

He claims to be an old time miner that wants to move to POS, a model that completely excludes miners... go figure!?
He is free to participate in the Karma economy as much as he likes yet he seems very reluctant to even invest 1 satoshi until he is given complete control... this is not how any cryptcoin economy works.

furthermore he is yet to prove any of his claims so I would suggest people wait and see what he does with givecoin before even bothering to discuss terms with him.
givecoin was a copy of the Karma idea that failed to take off and is now under new "management". It would be foolish for any coin to join forces with a dying coin until it has proved that it has atleast some longevity behind it.

Also the problem with the doabitofgood screensaver model is that it encourages people to set up a miner on their computer without really understanding what they are doing.. the screen saver then produces coins that are worth far less than the electricity it costs to make them.
so instead of people just donating money to a cause they like.. they are donating electricity at a far higher cost to themselves and to the environment.
Quite frankly I find this lack of disclosure on the website to be dishonest.

if people want to mine coins for a hobby and produce them at a higher cost than to simply buy them then that is their choice and they are usually doing it for the entertainment value and to support the coin they like.
but when you encourage people to set up miners thinking that they are supporting charity without even telling them the true cost.. that's just wrong IMHO and no different to running a bot-net.

Welcome warfwarf to telegram.

Not much Karma left in this thread.
I hope some of you are not speaking to other individuals in real life how you practice to write here.