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Just for the heck of it, a simple roadmap that could easily lead to namecoin being the #1crypto

All of the top cryptos today are top mainly because of scamminess. I'm not aware of any $1b+ market cap coin that is mostly legitimate.

Namecoin is one of the only coins that could grow quickly without adding more scamminess.

Bitcoin is mostly hype and scam, but at a few points in its history it had substantive uses that grew it. Maybe ten years ago there were taskwork sites that paid people in bitcoin to do simple tasks. I spent hours a day on that and it gave me cash. A lot of other people the same. That was one of bitcoin's few legitimate currency moments.

Step 1) Implement clone/fork feature.

Step 2) Pay a namecoin person to create namecoin forks for various social groups. In other words groups that would actually want and benefit from a closed internet and economy. This step might cost a few thousand dollars to start until the endpoint was reached i.e., free publicity through word of mouth and free news.

Step 3) Partner with Xaya/Chi to create taskwork coins based on developing narrow sciences with the work limited to those in a specific economy.

There is an important German concept of worldview or weltanschauung. Groups of similar people, on their own, develop sciences that are completely mysterious to other groups. When the group no longer has isolation/space to develop then their sciences consolidate and decay. They become "useful" to a larger group e.g. 'melting pot', but any further development is trivial.

AI is considered the modern ".com" because it has become such a profitable investment.

But the truth is that what is sold to the public as "AI" is globalist horseshit. Several experts in AI have tried to steer things in the proper direction, including at least one Eastern European cryptocurrency, but have failed.

Is it important to derail the current AI fraud and legitimize real AI as a science tool? It would need a lengthy discussion, but it is important, and the stakes are high.

Step 4) As long as there is a small but significant collective of groups using taskwork AI i.e., nmc + a huc style "human mining" then the corporate AI stupidity will dissolve on its own. There is no comparison of relative strength between the two systems.

Aside from that, if a person does not like steps 3 and 4, a person should look at what is happening to Europe.

The notion of federating groups has been widely studied.

The fake federation "European Community" was not arranged by an expert to succeed. It was carefully designed to fail, to descend into an authoritarian centralized blob.

There are not many viable escape paths for Europe, but namecoin style internets/economies would give people breathing room when things begin to decay.

There are certainly corporate or "globalist" actors who do not want free groups outside the control of the blob.

There is no single corporation or group or affinity that is causing this misguidance. "Colonizers" are often blamed, as are specific groups like Jews.

A good anti globalist film is Europa the Last Battle. 50 years ago, as a boy in Hebrew school, I would have called every point in the film anti semitic trash. Today I'm one of many Jews promoting the film.

Namecoin has powerful enemies, and it isn't a magic bullet, but it could be an important coin.

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One important point about that movie is that it unfortunately picks on Jews, because we typically are no good at defending our interests sensibly. The exact same globalist point could be made in a film about British globalists, French globalists, etc. Problem is that globalist  gangsters in those groups are not as clumsy.

An honest version of Europa TLB would apportion responsibility more sensibly, accurately.

OK so I read through the above posts 3 times and I still can't tell what concrete thing you are proposing. I see various rants about politics (not the kind of politics that Namecoin pertains to), but nothing about naming (which is what we do). I also can't tell who you are claiming constitutes an "oligarchy"/"aristocracy" in Namecoin (...the miners? ...the devs? ...random users on Reddit and Matrix?).

Regarding your claim that (I guess?) a single pool has 70% of hashrate, that's not what Metrics says. As of Aug 1, the largest pool is Antpool with less than 42% hashrate. https://metrics.namecoin.org/namecoin/period-timestamps-14-days/pool/charts/latest.txt

Namecoin is, generally speaking, not a vehicle for testing experimental blockchain features. To the extent that we do scientific research, it's mostly in layer 2, and occasionally on-chain only for things that are critically required for the naming system to work.

If you think it's "cavalier" that the Namecoin community wants to be a naming system as opposed to an economics experiment, I'm not really sure what to say. *shrug*

Bullshit is an inverse PoW function, so I'm not going to comment on whatever the heck the above is. With one brief exception: everyone already knows my motives for being a cypherpunk developer; there's no murkiness there; it's literally stated on my personal website. I wish you luck finding a blockchain that's designed to be an economic experimentation vehicle, rather than a naming system, since it very much sounds like you're looking for the former, and Namecoin ain't it. Happy hacking.

This is a great quote & if I use it in the future I'll credit it to you. You're exactly & succinctly correct: bullshitting is the opposite of having done any actual tangible work whatsoever. Anybody can bullshit, its free & has zero energy cost.

Keep up the good fight.

Looked over some previous conversations on this thread, and it is slowly dawning on me that the goal of namecoin is not to create a decentralized naming system, but to prevent it.

Not going to click the link, I have enough mystery bugs already, but I see it is about Islam.

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/838db940f25b895bcffd8857171e0b0ea39612ccb27e619e0d1154474ddc7350/details

But some history.

"The Third Reich, meaning "Third Realm" or "Third Empire", referred to the Nazi claim that Nazi Germany was the successor to the earlier Holy Roman Empire (800–1806) and German Empire (1871–1918)."

At the early times of the Roman empire the emperor needed a way to pacify hostile tribes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator_(2000_film)

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/maps/primary/josephusjesus.html

.etc...


Edit to add a competing view

What were the three Reichs?
The history of the nation state known as the German Reich is commonly divided into three periods:
German Empire (1871–1918)
Weimar Republic (1918–1933)
Nazi Germany (1933–1945)

Which means the British empire could be seen as the second, or third depending on perspective, empire/reich.


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Hence, despite being Jewish, I recommend the Europa, TLB documentary.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abj5593

https://www.sciencemagazinedigital.org/sciencemagazine/07_january_2021/MobilePagedArticle.action?articleId=1756858#articleId1756858

Wow, lots of spam in this thread this week. Skipping over the inverse PoW....


The analogy is actually a bit more complex than that: while PoW is asymmetric in the sense that it's highly expensive to produce a PoW but trivially easy to verify it, bullshit is asymmetric in the opposite direction: not only is it trivially easy to produce bullshit, but it's *also* highly expensive to debunk it.

Alas, I regret to inform you that I didn't come up with the analogy, I just picked it up from my social graph long ago. I don't know who first came up with it, but a quick Twitter search shows that JJ from Handshake (whom I've worked with in the past) said in 2020 that someone had previously told him the analogy, but he didn't seem to remember who told him either. I think I first heard it before 2020 (but it's hard to be sure), and I don't think either JJ or I am the other's source (again, hard to be sure). Anyway, it seems to be popular lore among cypherpunks by now. If you ever find out who first said it, please let me know, but in any event, crediting me is unnecessary: I'm just a relay.

Some irony there.

Would either of you speculate on the view that Namecoin is being carefully used not to encourage a decentralized naming system, but to prevent one?

Looking back over Namecoin's history, a common thread seems to be a subtle misdirection of any effort to bring the coin to a wider audience.

Any comment? Or it's just more "bullshit"?

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Seems to be a core group has popped up every time since 2013 that anybody has tried to promote Namecoin.
Then carefully politely shot them down til they disappeared.

sqbit?

Many others if a person reads the thread carefully.


https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/6017.1260

https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/6017.720

Now Google is giving me near impossible capchas to log into bitcointalk, aside from the happy eyeballs error.

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No, that sounds ridiculous. Besides, a decentralized naming system already existed before Bitcoin: Tor.


Definitely the latter. I just appreciate that there's any activity in this thread at all. What I've seen over the years is people try to influence development for their own personal gain. Would be nice if there was a more user-friendly ".bit" browser extension to access Namecoin domains. But the thing is Tor already does a pretty good job of being un-censorable.

One more funny/sad/ironic twist about tor, since somebody brought it up.

Drug dealers are pretty safe on tor nowadays since it has become such a useful tool in busting snowden wannabes.

All the major news outlets tell people to submit corruption, misconduct etc stories via tor.
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Somebody submits stuff that's too sensitive though and they are picked up and an agent assumes their tor identity to clean things up.

Just like in the old Soviet Union, it will be decades before we hear the stories of those people and their 'Patriot Act Provision" trials.

That's not even counting sites like The Intercept that work directly with authorities to bust leakers.


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Schaeffer Cox for president, except he is in a Communication Managed Prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_management_unit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkHt6dkHiMw

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