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damon (sprnt)BOT 9:39 AM
It would be fun to test InstantDEX out this weekend.  Is their somewehere we can the latest?
xrobesx (sprnt)BOT 9:40 AM
check out #deleted-channel
n41r0j (sprnt)BOT 9:40 AM
nobody got it to work yet, actually :stuck_out_tongue:
if you're on a windows machine
i'm joining the testers tonight as well
qwitnix (sprnt)BOT 9:46 AM
I'm available if you need assistance with the install on windows
Tell me what you have running before you start and I'll point you in the right direction
mr_e (sprnt)BOT 9:52 AM
i'd like to test but i'm busy with preparing nxtvault release so please let me know when windows things are more operational and I'll be happy to test
shossain (sprnt)BOT 3:07 PM
The rich list http://explorebtcd.info/bitcoindark-btcd-rich-list-top-500/ now updates in every 4 minutes internally. If you want the latest data, you need to refresh your browser page. F5 does the trick.
ExploreBTCD
BitcoinDark (BTCD) Rich List - Top 500 - ExploreBTCD
BTCD Rich List updates every 5 minutes. The addresses are linked to ExploreBTCD blockchain explorer and will display the detailed information about the address. Enjoy the Rich List. 1) RBF9tS45eKBab2L4ZYdQEzMVnp5vtHUuqC 40000 BTCD 2) RGgbJiV2Hs8eWJbZmZ3hZLS8sSzFA7tYNu 39191.5221811 BTCD 3) RA7FDvaNFXZNLqosSbCWFbypuvijJNQw5J 37564.38330345 BTCD 4) RQ5zLFGwZGhTKbANAbCHaAP1ghZWnv6wKE 34495.1390537 BTCD 5) RT9obeyoapYL1kzZdrBKTtJvasTJoDTiwA 28213.4081571 BTCD 6) RMtkykzKuKiP4PNjgqKH6FrcSJm4Y6eA8n 18853.92565877 Show more...
clovis (sprnt)BOT 3:09 PM
awesome, love your explorer shossain!!  it's my choice for btcd!!
jahl (sprnt)BOT 3:24 PM
mine aswel :simple_smile:
shossain (sprnt)BOT 3:33 PM
Thanks guys. And, I love to keep it up as well. This is the first and yet the last block explorer I created :wink:
btcddev (sprnt)BOT 3:58 PM
@shossain are you using ramchains?
shossain (sprnt)BOT 4:07 PM
@btcddev: sorry, couldn't get it working in my vps. and while I'm experimenting there the block explorer unusable to users.
btcddev (sprnt)BOT 4:29 PM
Ok
marcm9000 (sprnt)BOT 9:03 PM
is there a good list of BTCD explorers somtplace? is explorebtcd the only one working?
crackers (sprnt)BOT 10:52 PM
FYI: The latest shift for the Xpool.ca Multipool paid out 102+ BTCD.
marcm9000 (sprnt)BOT 8:40 PM
now there are no explorers working...?
shossain (sprnt)BOT 6:30 AM
Hey @marcm9000, the database of explorebtcd.info got corrupted. I just deleted them this morning and synced again with BTCD client. took about 3 hours and its working again.
marcm9000 (sprnt)BOT 6:12 PM
@shossain hey! can you put it back? the corrupted richlist showed I had way more btcd. actually more than I really have. so, ok. never mind, I'll take what Ive got. :-D
shossain (sprnt)BOT 5:07 AM
lol... @marcm9000, the database i was talking about it is only for the block explorer itself :wink: If it was BTCD database, it would take longer to sync. richlist database is created from the BTCD daemon; blocks and txs as they are happening every 4 minutes.
crackers (sprnt)BOT 10:29 AM
FYI: The latest shift for the Xpool Multipool (www.xpool.ca) paid out 117+ BTCD.
jahl (sprnt)BOT 3:23 PM
btcddev, make it go to 300k's again come on :smile:
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 4:53 PM
had me excited.....0.00398 lol
jahl (sprnt)BOT 5:05 PM
secretly wishing for very low 300ks
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 8:54 PM
hope it goes back to 20k :smile:
torrn (sprnt)BOT 9:35 AM
In this weeks bulletin: Transparent forging comes to BitcoinDark                                                                    http://bitcoindark.pw/transparent-forging-comes-to-bitcoindark/     https://i.imgur.com/wvFr21P.jpg (160KB)
js.galt (sprnt)BOT 2:26 PM
How's teleport comming along folks? I'd love to start using it asap. BTC anon is faar behind.
smiley (sprnt)BOT 3:25 PM
I want to be able to lease my btcd to another address and stake with that. Is that possible or will it be possible?
smiley (sprnt)BOT 4:47 PM
Similar to how I can lease NXT
bezbezbez (sprnt)BOT 3:19 AM
@torrn: Please share your news about BitcoinDark in this channel too ) #deleted-channel
cassius (sprnt)BOT 3:23 AM
I don't think it's possible to lease BTCD. Nxt is 2.0 and has different capabilities.
3rdstryker (sprnt)BOT 3:29 AM
tf is connected to crypto777?
cassius (sprnt)BOT 3:30 AM
Yes
Ah, do you mean the C library or the asset?
torrn (sprnt)BOT 7:19 AM
@bezbezbez:  will do
crackers (sprnt)BOT 11:16 AM
FYI: The latest shift for the Xpool.ca Multipool paid out 103+ BTCD.
clovis (sprnt)BOT 7:29 AM
morning btcd! :sunny:
knuckle (sprnt)BOT 9:01 AM
hola
torrn 9:21 PM
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cassius (sprnt)BOT 3:55 AM
Hello toilet
toenu (sprnt)BOT 4:36 AM
the other day i saw a kitchen table in here somewhere, now we also have a toilet. this place is getting equipped with everything
clovis (sprnt)BOT 6:59 AM
i had to use the kitchen table for fire wood.... sorry toenu!!
nippybrit (sprnt)BOT 7:21 AM
kitchen sink wouldn't have been vulnerable to such an attack
clovis (sprnt)BOT 7:27 AM
lol, nope!
toilet (sprnt)BOT 10:11 AM
hey guys. good morning
knuckle (sprnt)BOT
hola
kitchentable (sprnt)BOT 12:42 PM
I find it ironic that toilet joined the channel and at this moment that seems to be the general direction my btcd invested is headed towards.
damon (sprnt)BOT 12:45 PM
and not that long after having fibre
kitchentable (sprnt)BOT 12:46 PM
is all part of the sys tem.
damon (sprnt)BOT 12:47 PM
we'll be here all day :simple_smile:
veri big explosion coming
kitchentable (sprnt)BOT 12:48 PM
Already called my day job and told them I quit.
toilet (sprnt)BOT 12:49 PM
yeah big btcd dumps recently. people must be getting impatient
good time to buy more I suppose. heh
gambleh (sprnt)BOT 1:02 PM
people are definitely getting impatient with many supernet related things
jahl (sprnt)BOT 1:05 PM
someone heard my prayers to reach 300k i guess :simple_smile:
crackers (sprnt)BOT 2:09 PM
FYI: The latest shift for the Xpool.ca Multipool paid out 105+ BTCD.
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 11:06 PM
all good im still buying :stuck_out_tongue:
abraxas147 (sprnt)BOT 4:48 AM
Got some at 300k too, next goal 250k :wink:
cassius (sprnt)BOT 5:46 AM
Yeah, weird dumping. I guess there are still lots of big holders who don't care too much about the tech
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:03 AM
whenever new tech details are disclosed, the price drops
the logic is that the more tech there is, the worse it is
cassius (sprnt)BOT 6:05 AM
Makes sense. Standard pattern in Nxt too.
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:16 AM
yes, it is the rimbit will take over bitcoin logic
their equation is price == 1/tech
so as the amount of tech approaches zero, the price approaches infinity
i bet a whitepaper can be made from this!
3rdstryker (sprnt)BOT 6:17 AM
i might buy some rimbit
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:17 AM
they have been diligently not doing any development at all
3rdstryker (sprnt)BOT 6:18 AM
why add to a winning formula
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:18 AM
exactly
peercoin achieved perfection about a year ago, so fork it, write protect it, done
but you need to have pictures of pretty girls on a website
i think it is the fact that people dont put money into what they dont understand
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:20 AM
:stuck_out_tongue:
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:20 AM
so both BTCD and SuperNET are rapidly confusing enough people and thus losing ground to rimbit and other 1/tech coins
I got the ramchain plugin working to where it is generating at 3x the speed. it is making bigger files, but will be much faster on startup and runtime than the old ramchains
as a plugin, all the other plugins will be able to directly use the ramchain plugin, including of course the MGW plugin
it is dynamically loading the various plugins/ramchains
still some bugs, but I need to switch to the networking side for a chance of scenery, plus getting some realtime datastreams would be very cool for InstantDEX
however, this is even more tech, so price should keep going down
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:25 AM
James any reason why MGW servers keeps going down/slow? Recently i have seen a spate of people asking why they havent got their withdrawals in a timely basis
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:27 AM
I am not running them so not 100% sure, but from what I can tell it is a comms issue between them
each server is running fine, but the other servers stop hearing from it
and since all three need to be in sync, everything stops
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:27 AM
Is there  anyway to get the reliability of it up?
jahl (sprnt)BOT 6:27 AM
@abraxas147: hoping on 250k aswel :smile:
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:28 AM
Even if it was to get a alert to the operator saying hey there is something wrong
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:28 AM
if anything, this should prove to people that it is doing a multi-server consensus, but probably small comfort to people who are waiting
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:28 AM
haha true :smile:
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:28 AM
" I need to switch to the networking side" from above
is to solve this comms issue
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:28 AM
:simple_smile: cool
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:28 AM
the other problem is that for the BTC ramchain, it takes ~1hr to restart
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:29 AM
Is there anyway to have an active/standby VMs?
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:29 AM
so if everything is 100% stable, then maybe not so bad, but if we have to restart several times per week, then it will lower availability
the problem is that all three need to be in perfect sync
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:30 AM
Maybe a floating IP configuration setup where there are multiple VMs but 1 has the IP being used for the MGW
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:30 AM
if we add standby servers, they need to be in sync also, which makes the problem more complicated
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:30 AM
If that VM dies you can point the IP to the working VM thus no 1 hour downtime
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:31 AM
no VM are dying (though sometimes they lose power)
I think the best solution is layering
we can have vendors providing direct conversions to people
and these vendors are the ones directly interacting with MGW
the vendors would use InstantDEX to make available gateway swaps
this of course requires InstantDEX to be able to clear native coin trades, so will be v2
oh no!
that's even more tech. sorry, price to 150k now possible
for users  I am envisioning InstantDEX gateway "orderbooks"
buying is deposit, selling is withdraw, or the opposite
not sure which is better direction for GUI
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:35 AM
Let me change my order on bittrex before the sell off begins lol
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:35 AM
I guess it depends on if it is mgwBTC/nativeBTC vs nativeBTC/mgwBTC
so this is the fully distributed BTC gateway function as anybody would be able to enable the gateway plugin and offer such deals
they will probably add some fees, but market forces will let people tradeoff response time, historical reliability for cost
if you dont mind paying 25%, just use shapeshift, if you dont mind waiting use MGW directly and it is a few txfees
for less spread but faster, it would be up to the individuals to create a market
I think this is the solution as there is always the coin confirmation time issue and three independent servers will always be going out of sync with each other temporarily for blockchains
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:41 AM
Is there anyway to setup more alerting in place?
So the people running the servers and get notified and fix it asap?
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:42 AM
i think they have the alerting
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:42 AM
Also is there a way to add another 3 sets of servers and say have 4/6 agree on a multisig to approve the withdrawal? Would that add more issues or less issues
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:42 AM
but the mr murphy, he is making it so the out of sync happens just as the operator goes offline
there are 24 hrs in the standard earth day and to cover that for all three servers is more than 3 peoples
4/6 wont be standard tx, so now we would have to wait for a non-standard tx to get confirmed
and a lot of coins can barely do standard multisig
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 6:43 AM
Ah :simple_smile:
Maybe we should have supernet NOC :simple_smile:
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 6:44 AM
this is why the progress is slowed as I am being dragged back into solving such things with a new version of tech
but without stable and responsive MGW, then it is hard to build a total solution
js.galt (sprnt)BOT 11:44 AM
I thought n of 15 multtisig was standard tx now.
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 11:45 AM
still has not propagated to the majority of the network
also how to coordinate and manage 15 people?
js.galt (sprnt)BOT 11:45 AM
oh, im not suggesting that
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 11:45 AM
keep in mind that if a serverhost changes, ALL multisig addresses are needing to be updated
js.galt (sprnt)BOT 11:45 AM
4/6 is maybe more reasonable.
right
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 11:46 AM
anyway, after discussions with pondsea, I am onto a new method to solve this, almost totally
but we cant disclose it as it is even more tech and the price would crash
js.galt (sprnt)BOT 11:46 AM
lol
ok. We are talking with eth about making an update on the media about SN's milestones. Curious about any updates on BTCD. and in general curious about how teleport is doing I want to start using anon
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 11:48 AM
to do privacy right, the rest of the infrastructure needs to be in place.
since I keep getting dragged back into improving MGW, this is making a delay for the rest
js.galt (sprnt)BOT 11:51 AM
I see. What do you need these days, how can we help?
jl777 (sprnt)BOT 11:53 AM
flux capacitor
just need a bit more time, or to fix the cloning machine.
js.galt (sprnt)BOT 12:01 PM
ok. :simple_smile:
house (sprnt)BOT 8:08 PM
SENT: 'flux capacitor'
http://www.jaylynn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/flux_usb.jpg (13KB)
juicybirds (sprnt)BOT 10:44 AM
Am I correct in thinking the only way to store btcd in multisignature addresses right now is to convert to mgwBTCD?
convert to mgwBTCD =  install Supernet wallet and send btcd to address within the supernet wallet?
pondsea (sprnt)BOT 4:24 PM
Install Supernet, wait till it generates an address then send to it
jahl (sprnt)BOT 4:53 PM
just wondering, but why is the supernet installer still using NRS 1.4.16 and hasn't been updated with the 1.4.17 ?
juicybirds (sprnt)BOT 9:04 AM Okay thanks.
I'm going to see if I can setup a cold storage supernet wallet.
I will try using the same procedure as setting up a cold storage Nxt Wallet.
Multisignature cold storage = come at me bro
9:07
I also came up with a way to protect against a MITM attack
MITM attack = force someone to listen to Man In The Mirror by michael jackson until they give up their password
crackers (sprnt)BOT 12:39 PM
FYI: The latest shift for the Xpool.ca Multipool paid out 133+ BTCD.
jahl (sprnt)BOT 12:42 PM
thank :smile:
crackers (sprnt)BOT 12:48 PM
don't spend it all at one place! Enjoy!
jahl (sprnt)BOT 12:48 PM best payotu thus far, keep it up :smile:

someone needs a hug

Latest Bulletin: Backed and pegged:The Holy Grail?
http://bitcoindark.pw/backed-and-pegged-the-holy-grail/
https://i.imgur.com/Gn23QSj.png

Development Update and Donation Request:

Dear BitcoinDark Community,

BitcoinDark development has been ongoing behind the scenes for quite a while and we are now approaching a time when that development will begin to bear fruit.

One of the new developments includes a new HTML-local-host Wallet GUI to replace the old QT version.   The plan is to first release a basic port, in terms of features, of the original QT wallet and then add additional features/enhancements in subsequent versions. The front-end is almost finished and work on the back-end of the wallet will begin soon.

                                                                          

The HTML Wallet will bring a host of new benefits to BTCD users:

-GUI with an updated cutting edge look that is easy to operate  
-Combination of HTML and Native Ramchains allows wallet access using multiple devices
-New tech features, such as Teleport, can easily be added to later client versions
-BTCD tech will make it to the BTCD client first before it becomes available on the SuperNET branded client
-Future in-client access to SuperNET affiliated coins and services

Donation Goal:

We are aiming to raise 10,000 BTCD to help see the current development through to completion.  Not only will your donation help contribute to BitcoinDark development, but also will act as an investment to enhance the future value of BTCD.  

Uses for Donation Funds:

-Back-end GUI development                                           (~2000 BTCD)
-Marketing/PR for upcoming tech releases                     (~2300 BTCD)
-Continued Webmaster and Weekly Blog payments      (~1200 BTCD)
-Hiring additional developers and specialists                (~2500 BTCD)
-Bounties for apps that utilize BitcoinDark tech            (~2000 BTCD)

Please help support BitcoinDark development by sending your donations to the following Official BTCD Donation Address:
RDtnnLj5LQ8YMxBJbHX1N4jNKeaC67FLGW

Thanks for the Development Donation.

Date: 7/05/2015 14:11
From: unknown
To: RDtnnLj5LQ8YMxBJbHX1N4jNKeaC67FLGW (own address, label: DEV Donations)
Credit: 200.00 BTCD
Net amount: +200.00 BTCD
Transaction ID: 27a2d2e8383416e7dffb8f3be539a1569da6844875ad4d4dc995f0595ab9ad59


Total donations received as of May 06, 2015= 400BTCD

Great news for BitcoinDark. Progress is urgently needed. I was a little worried about my BTCD stake the last time.

@juicybirds: Good Questions:

1) I'm not exactly sure if it is a block explorer error or what, but previously there were at maximum little more than 1k btcd in donations.

2) Torrn is managing the official donation address.  He has been responsible for holding donations and making payouts.

3) This admittedly is an area that can be improved upon going forward, but as of now these decisions are a consensus between me, torrn, and btcddev.  Unless a payment is a promised fixed BTCD amount payments can change as the value of BTCD changes.

4) No, there are no plans to help pay for SuperNET related testing unless the BTCD community calls for it.  The additional developers and specialists category is meant to cover payment to hire developers for core support, GUI support and updates for future versions, and possible specialists in areas such as marketing/promotion.

5) Previous donations were used to pay for the website, webmaster, blogs, and to help kickstart front-end work on the html wallet.

And yes, if everyone donated 1% we would certainly reach our goal  

edit: As Cassius stated above, we are also working to get a BTC multisig account set up for those that would rather donate BTC instead of BTCD

Thanks xrobesx. That mistake is on me.

I think I accidentally pulled from the front-end developers earlier work and didn't spot the mistake.  English isn't the native language of the guy we have doing the front-end work so there has been numerous spelling/grammar errors that have been fixed from earlier versions.

I'll get those images changed out with the updated versions as soon as possible.

donate 10% to me and I'll donate 1% back 
easier for the whales to donate than us small fries. 1% of nothing is nothing