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    January 29, 2015, 03:14:51 AM
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    Yea rite.. I looked the other day and a single spread address controlled over 25% of the network, get your facts straight.

    Wether it's pools or single miners, I tend to think the latter is worse. At least pools have accountability in which they have to obey to the network policies up to some point to ensure their miners get paid. I'd rather have 25% of a network in the hand of a pool op having 500 users behind vs a single farmer.

    Do you have a way to disprove my opinon? How can mine be fud and your's not?

    Edit; also large pools is just a question of time as the "solo" edge of Spreadcoin has been flawed, hence I saw it had it's purpose beaten.
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    January 29, 2015, 03:14:57 AM
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    Quote from: girino on January 29, 2015, 03:06:56 AM
    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 02:55:17 AM
    ....
    BLABLABLABLA

    Not sure what you mean by that. It's purpose is to avoid hashrate concentration in pools. Pools have no accountability whatsoever, as individual miners don't. So no difference in that. But pools lead to much more concentrated hashrate, as all the graphs shown by the trolls, and the rich list from spread tend to show. We have someone with at most 11% of the hashrate, while on BTC and DRK some pools have more than 30% of it. HOW is it a flawed feature with it's purpose defeated?

    I understand that you have interest in FUDing this coin as you are purposefully quoting someone that writes in big red letters, but please, get your facts straight!

    Don't bother, he is a veritable troll.
    He even came to IRC to continue his trolling, so he can get off on it.
     Grin

    Best thing is to ignore them as fast as possible, or he will keep you busy as long as you let him, and you will help him make his trolling look like a legitimate discussion here for newcomers, when it's not!
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    January 29, 2015, 03:17:56 AM
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    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:14:51 AM
    Yea rite.. I looked the other day ....
    BLABLABLA...

    Do you see that, girino?
    I smelled the troll from a mile away, it's just something in how they prepare their phrases, how they quote, how they ask their fake questions.
    If a question is too stupid or too arrogant, or sounds like completely made up on the fly, maybe better ignore it.
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    January 29, 2015, 03:19:54 AM
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    Sure, I'm just a troll right.

    Got anything to discuss instead of trying to say I'm a troll? Just because you can't refute my argument doesn't mean I'm a troll.

    Spread's purpose is defeated for the moment, sorry for the sad reality check but instead of calling people trolls why don't you go fix the actual code instead of brining features from other coins while your main edge ("no pools") is flawed..

    Edit: between me and you, frankly you're the troll.. Quoting posts while modifying what was wrote there.. ya. pityful.
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    January 29, 2015, 03:21:39 AM
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    Quote from: girino on January 29, 2015, 03:06:56 AM
    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 02:55:17 AM
    Quote from: Wolf0 on January 27, 2015, 01:29:20 AM
    Quote from: bitman008 on January 27, 2015, 01:13:34 AM
    Quote from: bitman008 on January 27, 2015, 01:02:24 AM
    Quote from: pokeytex on January 27, 2015, 12:50:52 AM
    Quote from: RenegadeMan on January 27, 2015, 12:01:36 AM
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    Burying your heads in the sand doesn't change the fact that SPR is cracked by pool now ,soon multi-pool.Constant dumping will come from multipool and FPGA farmers.
    no comment about this issue?

    We all know you're full of FUD - there is no issue, except you.

    He's somewhat right about it.. I remember crouton complaining in Darkcoin about a few major pools having a bunch of hashrate.. we now see the same on SPR except it's private miners with no accountability to anyone versus pools that do have some accountability, at least to their users.

    IMO Spreadcoin's only particular feature is flawed and got it's purpose defeated. All the other "features" are copied from other coins.

    Not sure what you mean by that. It's purpose is to avoid hashrate concentration in pools. Pools have no accountability whatsoever, as individual miners don't. So no difference in that. But pools lead to much more concentrated hashrate, as all the graphs shown by the trolls, and the rich list from spread tend to show. We have someone with at most 11% of the hashrate, while on BTC and DRK some pools have more than 30% of it. HOW is it a flawed feature with it's purpose defeated?

    I understand that you have interest in FUDing this coin as you are purposefully quoting someone that writes in big red letters, but please, get your facts straight!

    Here is the proof of existing pools

    Quote from: Hippie Tech on January 28, 2015, 10:46:45 PM
    Quote from: bitman008 on January 28, 2015, 05:32:16 PM
    Quote from: antonio8 on January 28, 2015, 05:26:52 PM
    Hopefully this time they are banned, permanently.


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    ok,I copy some info from http://spr.nonce-pool.com
    Contributor Shares
    Rank    Donor    User Name    Shares
    1       chrysophylax    32,333
    2       zorbo    4,732
    3       Admin    2,405
    4       antonio8    610
    5       anonymous    34


    ast 20 Blocks Found
    Block    Validity    Finder    Time    Difficulty    Amount    Expected Shares    PPLNS Shares    Actual Shares    Percentage
    240144    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/26/2015 14:14:53    66.8061    6.2664    17,102    22,069    13,679    79.98
    240101    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/26/2015 13:24:28    70.2068    6.2665    17,973    18,850    2,151    11.97
    240096    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/26/2015 13:16:41    70.4470    6.2665    18,034    26,110    18,008    99.86
    240018    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/26/2015 12:07:31    66.9600    6.2666    17,142    35,899    53,206    310.38
    239826    Confirmed    antonio8    01/26/2015 08:53:29    66.2038    6.2670    16,948    19,213    9,664    57.02
    239795    Confirmed    anonymous    01/26/2015 08:21:17    64.2589    6.2670    16,450    22,910    15,553    94.55
    239724    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/26/2015 07:28:34    61.3633    6.2671    15,709    25,423    23,275    148.16
    239645    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/26/2015 06:10:58    62.3111    6.2673    15,952    34,722    45,112    282.80
    239467    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/26/2015 03:16:35    64.4197    6.2676    16,491    30,995    41,689    252.80
    239306    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/26/2015 00:26:41    64.0728    6.2678    16,403    25,880    34,326    209.27
    239199    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/25/2015 22:23:04    69.8051    6.2680    17,870    18,593    17,103    95.71
    239140    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/25/2015 21:26:35    68.4833    6.2681    17,532    26,545    37,898    216.16
    239023    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/25/2015 19:26:11    72.2618    6.2683    18,499    20,810    6,984    37.75
    239004    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/25/2015 19:03:43    72.8138    6.2683    18,640    21,051    1,469    7.88
    238992    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/25/2015 18:58:36    71.1036    6.2683    18,203    32,232    37,233    204.54
    238878    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/25/2015 16:57:12    70.8292    6.2685    18,132    26,863    18,356    101.24
    238821    Confirmed    antonio8    01/25/2015 15:54:58    71.2020    6.2686    18,228    38,927    62,527    343.03
    238581    Confirmed    antonio8    01/25/2015 12:17:31    61.9369    6.2690    15,856    18,607    6,539    41.24
    238545    Confirmed    antonio8    01/25/2015 11:53:30    60.8291    6.2691    15,572    17,469    169    1.09
    238544    Confirmed    chrysophylax    01/25/2015 11:52:53    60.8079    6.2691    15,567    21,891    4,057    26.06
    Totals    342,303    505,059    448,998    131.17



    @antonio8,do you have anything to say ?  Wink

    Indeed. If the mods were corrupt, I would have been banned dozens of shitcoins ago. Tongue LOL

    I/we find your info very helpful. Tyvm for taking the time to share it.

    That said, please keep the large/bold/editted text and the spamming to a minimum. The facts can be seen and heard even when the font in use is only THIS BIG. Smiley

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    January 29, 2015, 03:22:07 AM
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    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:14:51 AM
    Yea rite.. I looked the other day and a single spread address controlled over 25% of the network, get your facts straight.

    Wether it's pools or single miners, I tend to think the latter is worse. At least pools have accountability in which they have to obey to the network policies up to some point to ensure their miners get paid. I'd rather have 25% of a network in the hand of a pool op having 500 users behind vs a single farmer.

    Do you have a way to disprove my opinon? How can mine be fud and your's not?

    Edit; also large pools is just a question of time as the "solo" edge of Spreadcoin has been flawed, hence I saw it had it's purpose beaten.

    Large pools are not a question of time, the larger the pool, the easier it is for miners to steal from it, so pools, if they ever arise (aside from individuals testing by themselves), will keep small, within a group of trusted friends. Unless you come with a way to avoid the stealing of coins (and no one has yet), you opinion is flawed.

    About being FUD, think of it: you are a pool owner, posting in an announcement thread for a coin that avoids pooling by enabling users to steal from them, quoting spammers that write in big red letters in an aggressive, accusatory tone, based on non existent facts and made up data. Well, you might call it opinion, but that's a hell of a misplaced opinion.
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    January 29, 2015, 03:23:02 AM
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    Quote from: girino on January 29, 2015, 03:22:07 AM
    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:14:51 AM
    Yea rite.. I looked the other day and a single spread address controlled over 25% of the network, get your facts straight.

    Wether it's pools or single miners, I tend to think the latter is worse. At least pools have accountability in which they have to obey to the network policies up to some point to ensure their miners get paid. I'd rather have 25% of a network in the hand of a pool op having 500 users behind vs a single farmer.

    Do you have a way to disprove my opinon? How can mine be fud and your's not?

    Edit; also large pools is just a question of time as the "solo" edge of Spreadcoin has been flawed, hence I saw it had it's purpose beaten.

    Large pools are not a question of time, the larger the pool, the easier it is for miners to steal from it, so pools, if they ever arise (aside from individuals testing by themselves), will keep small, within a group of trusted friends. Unless you come with a way to avoid the stealing of coins (and no one has yet), you opinion is flawed.

    About being FUD, think of it: you are a pool owner, posting in an announcement thread for a coin that avoids pooling by enabling users to steal from them, quoting spammers that write in big red letters in an aggressive, accusatory tone, based on non existent facts and made up data. Well, you might call it opinion, but that's a hell of a misplaced opinion.

    Last time I checked I didn't own any pool anymore.. what's you point..

    Is there pools on spreadcoin? Yes
    Is there mining centralization? Yes
    Is Spreadcoin's purpose totally flawed at the moment? Yes

    My point is totally valid.
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    January 29, 2015, 03:24:15 AM
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    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:23:02 AM
    Quote from: girino on January 29, 2015, 03:22:07 AM
    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:14:51 AM
    Yea rite.. I looked the other day and a single spread address controlled over 25% of the network, get your facts straight.

    Wether it's pools or single miners, I tend to think the latter is worse. At least pools have accountability in which they have to obey to the network policies up to some point to ensure their miners get paid. I'd rather have 25% of a network in the hand of a pool op having 500 users behind vs a single farmer.

    Do you have a way to disprove my opinon? How can mine be fud and your's not?

    Edit; also large pools is just a question of time as the "solo" edge of Spreadcoin has been flawed, hence I saw it had it's purpose beaten.

    Large pools are not a question of time, the larger the pool, the easier it is for miners to steal from it, so pools, if they ever arise (aside from individuals testing by themselves), will keep small, within a group of trusted friends. Unless you come with a way to avoid the stealing of coins (and no one has yet), you opinion is flawed.

    About being FUD, think of it: you are a pool owner, posting in an announcement thread for a coin that avoids pooling by enabling users to steal from them, quoting spammers that write in big red letters in an aggressive, accusatory tone, based on non existent facts and made up data. Well, you might call it opinion, but that's a hell of a misplaced opinion.

    Last time I checked I didn't own any pool anymore..

    ok, i can correct it:

    About being FUD, think of it: you are a former pool owner, posting in an announcement thread for a coin that avoids pooling by enabling users to steal from them, quoting spammers that write in big red letters in an aggressive, accusatory tone, based on non existent facts and made up data. Well, you might call it opinion, but that's a hell of a misplaced opinion.
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    January 29, 2015, 03:25:44 AM
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    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:23:02 AM
    Quote from: girino on January 29, 2015, 03:22:07 AM
    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:14:51 AM
    Yea rite.. I looked the other day and a single spread address controlled over 25% of the network, get your facts straight.

    Wether it's pools or single miners, I tend to think the latter is worse. At least pools have accountability in which they have to obey to the network policies up to some point to ensure their miners get paid. I'd rather have 25% of a network in the hand of a pool op having 500 users behind vs a single farmer.

    Do you have a way to disprove my opinon? How can mine be fud and your's not?

    Edit; also large pools is just a question of time as the "solo" edge of Spreadcoin has been flawed, hence I saw it had it's purpose beaten.

    Large pools are not a question of time, the larger the pool, the easier it is for miners to steal from it, so pools, if they ever arise (aside from individuals testing by themselves), will keep small, within a group of trusted friends. Unless you come with a way to avoid the stealing of coins (and no one has yet), you opinion is flawed.

    About being FUD, think of it: you are a pool owner, posting in an announcement thread for a coin that avoids pooling by enabling users to steal from them, quoting spammers that write in big red letters in an aggressive, accusatory tone, based on non existent facts and made up data. Well, you might call it opinion, but that's a hell of a misplaced opinion.

    Last time I checked I didn't own any pool anymore.. what's you point..

    Is there pools on spreadcoin? Yes
    Is there mining centralization? Yes
    Is Spreadcoin's purpose totally flawed at the moment? Yes

    My point is totally valid.

    you know that to be valid you need evidence to support it, right?
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    January 29, 2015, 03:26:45 AM
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    Quote from: girino on January 29, 2015, 03:25:44 AM
    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:23:02 AM
    Quote from: girino on January 29, 2015, 03:22:07 AM
    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:14:51 AM
    Yea rite.. I looked the other day and a single spread address controlled over 25% of the network, get your facts straight.

    Wether it's pools or single miners, I tend to think the latter is worse. At least pools have accountability in which they have to obey to the network policies up to some point to ensure their miners get paid. I'd rather have 25% of a network in the hand of a pool op having 500 users behind vs a single farmer.

    Do you have a way to disprove my opinon? How can mine be fud and your's not?

    Edit; also large pools is just a question of time as the "solo" edge of Spreadcoin has been flawed, hence I saw it had it's purpose beaten.

    Large pools are not a question of time, the larger the pool, the easier it is for miners to steal from it, so pools, if they ever arise (aside from individuals testing by themselves), will keep small, within a group of trusted friends. Unless you come with a way to avoid the stealing of coins (and no one has yet), you opinion is flawed.

    About being FUD, think of it: you are a pool owner, posting in an announcement thread for a coin that avoids pooling by enabling users to steal from them, quoting spammers that write in big red letters in an aggressive, accusatory tone, based on non existent facts and made up data. Well, you might call it opinion, but that's a hell of a misplaced opinion.

    Last time I checked I didn't own any pool anymore.. what's you point..

    Is there pools on spreadcoin? Yes
    Is there mining centralization? Yes
    Is Spreadcoin's purpose totally flawed at the moment? Yes

    My point is totally valid.

    you know that to be valid you need evidence to support it, right?

    As far as the centralized mining going on I didn't keep a screenshot of what was going on the other day. However for the pool it's pretty simple and you know where to find it Wink (Nonce-Pool)
    My point still goes... Spreadcoin's main "feature" (no pools) is flawed. Kthx.
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    January 29, 2015, 03:29:39 AM
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    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:19:54 AM
    Sure, I'm just a troll right.

    Got anything to discuss instead of trying to say I'm a troll? Just because you can't refute my argument doesn't mean I'm a troll.

    Spread's purpose is defeated for the moment, sorry for the sad reality check but instead of calling people trolls why don't you go fix the actual code instead of brining features from other coins while your main edge ("no pools") is flawed..

    Edit: between me and you, frankly you're the troll.. Quoting posts while modifying what was wrote there.. ya. pityful.
    Your name seems very familiar. Do I know you?

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    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 02:55:17 AM
    Quote from: Wolf0 on January 27, 2015, 01:29:20 AM
    Quote from: bitman008 on January 27, 2015, 01:13:34 AM
    Quote from: bitman008 on January 27, 2015, 01:02:24 AM
    Quote from: pokeytex on January 27, 2015, 12:50:52 AM
    Quote from: RenegadeMan on January 27, 2015, 12:01:36 AM
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    Burying your heads in the sand doesn't change the fact that SPR is cracked by pool now ,soon multi-pool.Constant dumping will come from multipool and FPGA farmers.
    no comment about this issue?

    We all know you're full of FUD - there is no issue, except you.

    He's somewhat right about it.. I remember crouton complaining in Darkcoin about a few major pools having a bunch of hashrate.. we now see the same on SPR except it's private miners with no accountability to anyone versus pools that do have some accountability, at least to their users.

    IMO Spreadcoin's only particular feature is flawed and got it's purpose defeated. All the other "features" are copied from other coins.

    Edit: had to remove colors from my quote due to crybabies.

    I couldn't agree with you more.But it seems nobody esle wants to talk about or even admit those flaws.
    Just as you said ,SPR is totally NO FEATURES at all.
    Here are the fatal flaws
    1.Instamined
    2.not no pool as it claimed on the title any longer
    3.unfair distribution -- some one is mining with 50% faster optimized GPU miner

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    January 29, 2015, 03:31:08 AM
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    No need for the big red prints but you are totally right.

    What proof they want more? There is an actual pool mining Spreadcoin.. bunch of idiots with their heads in the sand is the only thing I see here.
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    January 29, 2015, 03:31:27 AM
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    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:26:45 AM
    Quote from: girino on January 29, 2015, 03:25:44 AM
    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:23:02 AM
    Quote from: girino on January 29, 2015, 03:22:07 AM
    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:14:51 AM
    Yea rite.. I looked the other day and a single spread address controlled over 25% of the network, get your facts straight.

    Wether it's pools or single miners, I tend to think the latter is worse. At least pools have accountability in which they have to obey to the network policies up to some point to ensure their miners get paid. I'd rather have 25% of a network in the hand of a pool op having 500 users behind vs a single farmer.

    Do you have a way to disprove my opinon? How can mine be fud and your's not?

    Edit; also large pools is just a question of time as the "solo" edge of Spreadcoin has been flawed, hence I saw it had it's purpose beaten.

    Large pools are not a question of time, the larger the pool, the easier it is for miners to steal from it, so pools, if they ever arise (aside from individuals testing by themselves), will keep small, within a group of trusted friends. Unless you come with a way to avoid the stealing of coins (and no one has yet), you opinion is flawed.

    About being FUD, think of it: you are a pool owner, posting in an announcement thread for a coin that avoids pooling by enabling users to steal from them, quoting spammers that write in big red letters in an aggressive, accusatory tone, based on non existent facts and made up data. Well, you might call it opinion, but that's a hell of a misplaced opinion.

    Last time I checked I didn't own any pool anymore.. what's you point..

    Is there pools on spreadcoin? Yes
    Is there mining centralization? Yes
    Is Spreadcoin's purpose totally flawed at the moment? Yes

    My point is totally valid.

    you know that to be valid you need evidence to support it, right?

    As far as the centralized mining going on I didn't keep a screenshot of what was going on the other day. However for the pool it's pretty simple and you know where to find it Wink (Nonce-Pool)
    My point still goes... Spreadcoin's main "feature" (no pools) is flawed. Kthx.


    As already explained, several time, the feature of "no pools" does not mean that it is impossible to maintain a pool, but rather that they are not economically viable, since anyone can steal the coins form them, If you don't get that, which is written EVERYWHERE, then, you are seriously flawed!

    It's as if i said: it is not economically viable to buy macdonalds burgers and sell the for half the price, and you just open a shop that does that just to prove your point. Well, you may prove your point, but you will go bankrupt prooving it, and macdonalds will get richer (and thank you greatly for the extra proffit)!
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    January 29, 2015, 03:32:20 AM
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    Why are so many people mining tspr? Once you have your masternodes setup shouldn't you quit mining? Unless you are trying to get enough to hand out.

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    January 29, 2015, 03:34:13 AM
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    Quote from: e1ghtSpace on January 29, 2015, 03:32:33 AM
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    Where is your proof?

    please, do not quote the big red letter trolls. just ignore him...
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    January 29, 2015, 03:35:16 AM
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    Quote from: girino on January 29, 2015, 03:34:13 AM
    Quote from: e1ghtSpace on January 29, 2015, 03:32:33 AM
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    Where is your proof?

    please, do not quote the big red letter trolls. just ignore him...
    Sorry, ok.

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    January 29, 2015, 03:35:38 AM
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    Quote from: njs811 on January 29, 2015, 03:32:20 AM
    Why are so many people mining tspr? Once you have your masternodes setup shouldn't you quit mining? Unless you are trying to get enough to hand out.

    i, for one, am mining to create new MNs, everytime i reach 100 tspr i create a new MN (so far, only one created from mining)
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    January 29, 2015, 03:37:57 AM
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    Quote from: louiseth1 on January 29, 2015, 03:31:08 AM
    No need for the big red prints but you are totally right.

    What proof they want more? There is an actual pool mining Spreadcoin.. bunch of idiots with their hands in the sand is the only thing I see here.
    They just don't want to confront the high likelihood of price drop of a 'no features' coin in the near feature.
    If Mr.spread is an honest dev,the title of this thread should be changed,rather than to flood my posts.

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    January 29, 2015, 03:38:09 AM
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    I'm sure this won't make any difference, some folks only read what they want to.

    Do we have a pool? Yes.
    It's merely a pool server we setup to solo mine to nothing more, we just so happened to let a couple of other small hashrate users in to help out a bit. Is it a risk? Of course it is.

    Mr. Spread has done quite a good job at keeping this coin a solo mineable, that doesn't mean that it will always be that way,  there a lot of smart folks around here and if there is enough $ involved then one should expect that there will be others trying to get in on the action in some form or another.
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