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    • kiba (OP)
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    August 20, 2010, 12:55:53 PM
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    So, is the letter all right or I am missing some criticism?
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    August 20, 2010, 01:02:09 PM
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    Still missing some.   I will review it again later.

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    August 20, 2010, 02:20:36 PM
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    Oh yeah, the letter...

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    Dear Electronic Frontier Foundation,

    The Bitcoin community appreciates your efforts protecting Internet freedom and to keep the Internet free of unneeded regulatory intervention.

    Today's Bitcoin community is approximately N enterprises and indiviuals, using a new open-source P2P cryptocurrency system called Bitcoins, https://bitcoin.com published under the MIT license.

    Several members of our community have asked to donate Bitcoins to your Foundation, with xxx Bitcoins being pledged so far. We are certain that you will receive many more in individual donations if you will set up an EFF Bitcoin node.

    Warmest regards,

    The Bitcoin Community.



    I think the term "cryptocurrency" will come back to bite us someday, but Satoshi has already used it publicly, it is a coined word with no prior usage, and it works.




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    August 20, 2010, 02:46:44 PM
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    Quote from: fresno on August 20, 2010, 02:20:36 PM
    I think the term "cryptocurrency" will come back to bite us someday, but Satoshi has already used it publicly, it is a coined word with no prior usage, and it works.

    Trying to get the community to use words other than what accurately describe bitcoin is a losing proposition.
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    August 20, 2010, 07:25:53 PM
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    I like the version of the letter that you posted, fresno.  It says all that's necessary.  I have a few minor edits.

    Quote from: fresno on August 20, 2010, 02:20:36 PM

    Oh yeah, the letter...

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    Dear Electronic Frontier Foundation,

    The Bitcoin community appreciates your efforts protecting Internet freedom, and keeping the Internet free of unneeded regulatory intervention.

    Today's Bitcoin community comprises approximately N enterprises and indiviuals, using a new open-source P2P cryptocurrency system called Bitcoins <https://bitcoin.org> that is published under the MIT license.

    Several members of our community have asked to donate Bitcoins to your Foundation, with xxx Bitcoins being pledged so far. We are certain that you will receive many more in individual donations if you will set up an EFF Bitcoin node.

    Warmest regards,

    The Bitcoin Community.


    I think the term "cryptocurrency" will come back to bite us someday, but Satoshi has already used it publicly, it is a coined word with no prior usage, and it works.

    Satoshi may have coined "cryptocurrency", and "crypto currency" has been in use for decades.

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    August 20, 2010, 07:39:11 PM
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    Quote from: ichi on August 20, 2010, 07:25:53 PM
    I like the version of the letter that you posted, fresno.  It says all that's necessary.  I have a few minor edits.

    Quote from: fresno on August 20, 2010, 02:20:36 PM

    Oh yeah, the letter...

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    Dear Electronic Frontier Foundation,

    The Bitcoin community appreciates your efforts protecting Internet freedom, and keeping the Internet free of unneeded regulatory intervention.

    Today's Bitcoin community comprises approximately N enterprises and indiviuals, using a new open-source P2P cryptocurrency system called Bitcoins <https://bitcoin.org> that is published under the MIT license.

    Several members of our community have asked to donate Bitcoins to your Foundation, with xxx Bitcoins being pledged so far. We are certain that you will receive many more in individual donations if you will set up an EFF Bitcoin node.

    Warmest regards,

    The Bitcoin Community.


    I think the term "cryptocurrency" will come back to bite us someday, but Satoshi has already used it publicly, it is a coined word with no prior usage, and it works.

    Satoshi may have coined "cryptocurrency", and "crypto currency" has been in use for decades.


    I am happy to accept Fresco's version since others like it.
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    August 20, 2010, 09:08:56 PM
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    Quote from: kiba on August 20, 2010, 07:39:11 PM
    Quote from: ichi on August 20, 2010, 07:25:53 PM
    I like the version of the letter that you posted, fresno.  It says all that's necessary.  I have a few minor edits.

    Quote from: fresno on August 20, 2010, 02:20:36 PM

    Oh yeah, the letter...

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    Dear Electronic Frontier Foundation,

    The Bitcoin community appreciates your efforts protecting Internet freedom, and keeping the Internet free of unneeded regulatory intervention.

    Today's Bitcoin community comprises approximately N enterprises and indiviuals, using a new open-source P2P cryptocurrency system called Bitcoins <https://bitcoin.org> that is published under the MIT license.

    Several members of our community have asked to donate Bitcoins to your Foundation, with xxx Bitcoins being pledged so far. We are certain that you will receive many more in individual donations if you will set up an EFF Bitcoin node.

    Warmest regards,

    The Bitcoin Community.


    I think the term "cryptocurrency" will come back to bite us someday, but Satoshi has already used it publicly, it is a coined word with no prior usage, and it works.

    Satoshi may have coined "cryptocurrency", and "crypto currency" has been in use for decades.


    I am happy to accept Fresco's version since others like it.
    +1 Fresco's version.

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    August 21, 2010, 02:51:41 AM
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    Dear Electronic Frontier Foundation,

    The Bitcoin community appreciates your efforts protecting Internet freedom, and keeping the Internet free of unneeded regulatory intervention.

    Today's Bitcoin community comprises approximately N enterprises and indiviuals, using a new open-source P2P cryptocurrency system called Bitcoins <https://bitcoin.org> that is published under the MIT license.

    Several members of our community have asked to donate Bitcoins to your Foundation, with xxx Bitcoins being pledged so far. We are certain that you will receive many more in individual donations if you will set up an EFF Bitcoin node.

    Warmest regards,

    The Bitcoin Community.

    1 google result: "unneeded regulatory intervention"
    18,400 google results: "unnecessary regulatory intervention"
    ~23,000 google results: "* regulatory intervention" -"of regulatory intervention"
    thus, "unnecessary regulatory intervention" seems most relevant/useful ("of regulatory intervention" being most common of all "* regulatory intervention" results)

    bef: unneeded regulatory intervention
    aft: unnecessary regulatory intervention

    Today's Bitcoin community comprises approximately N enterprises and indiviuals, using a new open-source P2P cryptocurrency system called Bitcoins <https://bitcoin.org> that is published under the MIT license.
    Does this mean that the community is comprised by using a new open source P2P cryptocurrency system?  This sentence seems strange.

    bef: have asked to donate
    aft: have offered to donate

    Did we really ask?  Who was asked?

    246,000 google results: "We are certain that you will"
    1,660,000 google results: "We are confident that you will"

    bef: We are certain that you will
    aft: We are confident that you will

    0 google results: "receive many more in individual donations"
    0 google results: "receive many more individual donations"
    7 google results: "receive many individual donations"
    See search results for "receive many * donations" for some ideas on how to reword this.
    Perhaps even "receive many * donations" is not useful either.  Any ideas?

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    August 21, 2010, 04:12:50 AM
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    @mizerydearia

    Thank you.  That's a very interesting approach for common usage.  The next time I'm lost for words, I'll just google  Smiley

    I like your suggestions, FWIW -- up to "We are confident ..." anyway.

    Upon reflection, I get that EFF can't receive any Bitcoin donations without creating a node.  Right?  Using Mt. Gox's payment button, for example, could get them Pecunix or whatever, but not Bitcoin.

    How about ...

    "In order to accept pledged and future donations, EFF would need to create and publish a Bitcoin address."

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    August 21, 2010, 06:08:55 AM
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    Quote from: ichi on August 21, 2010, 04:12:50 AM
    @mizerydearia

    How about ...

    "In order to accept pledged and future donations, EFF would need to create and publish a Bitcoin address using a local client or an online service such as mybitcoin"


    added the bit in italics should we describe how it can be done?

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    August 21, 2010, 06:22:16 AM
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    Yes, thanks.  Honestly, I've never checked out mybitcoin.  I will  Smiley

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    August 22, 2010, 02:16:16 AM
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    The details don't need to be in the letter. Keep it simple.

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    August 22, 2010, 05:43:08 AM
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    Yes, simple is good.

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    August 23, 2010, 03:40:16 PM
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    Quote from: ichi on August 18, 2010, 08:32:49 AM
    Roll Eyes

    OK, just drop any reference in the letter to any of those worthless fiat currencies.  Yes?

    I'll still sell a few 0.1 oz gold bullion coins for Bitcoin.  Bidding for the first starts at 2,500 Bitcoin, and will close at midnight Sunday (GMT).  The buyer will cover postage, and accept all risks.
    Nobody seems interested.

    Why was that?  Is it that y'all don't like gold?  Or that y'all don't trust me?  Or?

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    August 23, 2010, 03:55:29 PM
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    Quote from: ichi on August 23, 2010, 03:40:16 PM
    Quote from: ichi on August 18, 2010, 08:32:49 AM
    Roll Eyes

    OK, just drop any reference in the letter to any of those worthless fiat currencies.  Yes?

    I'll still sell a few 0.1 oz gold bullion coins for Bitcoin.  Bidding for the first starts at 2,500 Bitcoin, and will close at midnight Sunday (GMT).  The buyer will cover postage, and accept all risks.
    Nobody seems interested.

    Why was that?  Is it that y'all don't like gold?  Or that y'all don't trust me?  Or?

    Can you post to Australia? Smiley

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    August 23, 2010, 06:07:10 PM
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    That'd be iffy.  I wouldn't want to use DHL or whatever, because the'd want to know far too much about me.  I could use regular anonymous airmail, but a gold coin would be pretty obvious in an x-ray scan -- or even by feel.  Although I've have received several ounces of gold internationally by mail, that was registered and insured, with customs paperwork.  Any ideas?

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    August 23, 2010, 06:41:56 PM
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    Quote from: ichi on August 23, 2010, 06:07:10 PM
    That'd be iffy.  I wouldn't want to use DHL or whatever, because the'd want to know far too much about me.  I could use regular anonymous airmail, but a gold coin would be pretty obvious in an x-ray scan -- or even by feel.  Although I've have received several ounces of gold internationally by mail, that was registered and insured, with customs paperwork.  Any ideas?

    Is it just me or this conversation has had a very sudden sidetrack here? Smiley

    Unless the EFF has Australian offices and you'll be sending them the gold along with the letter, of course.

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    August 23, 2010, 06:46:20 PM
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    I apologize for that -- should have started another thread when I first made the offer.

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    August 23, 2010, 08:02:28 PM
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    Quote from: nelisky on August 23, 2010, 06:41:56 PM
    Quote from: ichi on August 23, 2010, 06:07:10 PM
    That'd be iffy.  I wouldn't want to use DHL or whatever, because the'd want to know far too much about me.  I could use regular anonymous airmail, but a gold coin would be pretty obvious in an x-ray scan -- or even by feel.  Although I've have received several ounces of gold internationally by mail, that was registered and insured, with customs paperwork.  Any ideas?

    Is it just me or this conversation has had a very sudden sidetrack here? Smiley

    Unless the EFF has Australian offices and you'll be sending them the gold along with the letter, of course.

    They do actually.The australian government has been threatening to filter the internet just as china does.You could say Australians are on the bleeding edge of this issue.The perfect way to put bitcoin donations to work is helping push back where the fight is.This has been worldwide news for awhile and the government is an international laughingstock because of it.They are also trying to ban pictures of small breasted women and female ejaculation because they think it is child porn and abberrant behaviour.

    For more info look up "operation titstorm"  and  where anonymous ddos'd the Aus governments websites.
    http://www.efa.org.au/


    I will send them an email referencing this thread if that would be ok.

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    August 24, 2010, 07:18:25 PM
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    Is the letter ready to send to EFF?
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