Trolls want to buy in even lower ... 

Dead.... sorry you got stuck with this one Andres.

Repost from Slack:

Hey guys, just wanted to give an update on the project, address some things, and give my own opinion on some others through an administrators view:

I'm still here, but as Michael mentioned, we have had constant pleas for people community to get involved or show some interest other than just watching the price and expecting it to go up without any work.  I thought things were pretty clear in the last update on what direction HZ was taking at the moment.

Things that are on the horizon are getting Blocknet released, and all the participating networks linked up. Technically this is still on schedule according to the road map that was released at ICO, and the Slack is very active both from the community, and the developers.  Projects of this size, and ambition take time, money and people resources.

Altsheetsdev and another guy on the forums have been creating a lot of tools for the community to use,  and altsheets has offered to expand his development  to whatever needs people want (good for asset creators).  Again with this, the community has not been vocal in what they want, or have what they want.

I have been following the  ADsactly project asset more closely and they have been making a lot of progress with growing, and are getting ready for their official launch.  Their numbers look good, and they actually have all the right pieces ( financially and the right people) to really drive traffic. I think if more people knew about how it works, they would see the potential and want to get involved. They will have their official announcement soon!

I agree that announcing things that are in the works, and not completed isn't the best practice, but as you can see in the forum history, people hate it. when you don't say something. So you give them dates, and God forbid you are even an hour late, or prepare to face the wrath of the internet.. It gets held above your head forever, and I don't think it's good for any developer. The fact of the manner is that a lot of crypto devs, not just with HZ work on these projects on top of their normal jobs - and normally do so for very little compensation, compared to what the work actually would cost in another business environment.

Now that I am not announcing anything until its completed, everyone is asking for announcements and  think the project is dead and nothing is happening. There is no pleasing everyone here. Any project that has been announced, has always been, and is been worked on. Of course there have been delays and problems to solve, but things have always moved forward. Again, it's easy to forget that you are dealing with a lot of different people, working in different teams, and speaking different languages, as everyone is spread out around the world. Time zones become something you need to think about and factor in.

Have there been major NXT updates? We told the community that the client would not receive new features, unique to HZ because people don't use them...If NXT wants to keep building their features out, that is great, and we will make updates to the client if there is something that can be an asset to the platform, and something people are interested in using.

Of course, everything is a matter of perspective, and you can only form that perspective on what you see, and what you know. The inner workings of a long standing project, as is Horizon are made possible by a small amount of people, devoting a lot of their own time and money. There have been plenty of technical, and social problems that have risen and fallen in the past, and I believe if it weren't for that continued effort by people, the project could have failed to exist more than once in the past year and a half.

So as a summary of the key points:
Horizon - Not dead.
Developments that have been previously announced (without dates) are still alive and moving forward.
Participation between the community and development team is focused on slack, and you can (and  always have been) able to reach people on Slack.
We have received little response from people in the foundation, but the foundation is still there, and any  requests are voted on there.
Team is active, just not announcing anything unless its finished.

HZ assets - how to pay dividends

I am sharing my learning, with trying out the new dividendPayment function.

Now, with the new HZ 5.4, we can finally send ("type": 2, "subtype": 6) = dividends transactions.

I am using http://localhost:7776/test?requestTag=AE --> dividendPayment

These fields must be filled in - otherwise it won't get accepted:

* asset:
* height:
* amountNQTPerQNT:
* secretPhrase:
* feeNQT:
* deadline:

( for the meaning of those, read the NXT wiki API chapter 'Dividend_Payment'  )

I have chosen to also fill in these fields:

* message:   
* messageIsText:   
* messageIsPrunable:

When submitting, this message appeared:

I suppose the only sender that is allowed to send dividends - is the issuer herself?
I had tried to send from a different account. Good to know.


So ... from here on using the issuer's secretPhrase ...

For the fun of it, I've tried to send more than I had on that account, and I got this message:



Then finally, the real payment, the form looks like this



Note the amountNQTPerQNT = 20000.

That is my decision how much dividends I'd like to share.

NQT and QNT are the smallest possible amounts of HZ, and the asset.
The maths goes like this:

As this is an asset with ("decimals": 4), so

    1.0000 asset = 10000 QNT

and always

    1.00000000 HZ = 100000000 NQT

the decision

    20000 NQT per 1 QNT

means that per 1.0000 asset the shareholder will get

    20000 NQT * 10000 QNTper1Asset 100000000 NQTperHZ = 2.00000000 HZ

so

    2 HZ per 1 asset


  ... I know ...  

I suggest you make a spreadsheet for yourself, to grasp that fully.

And for the future, it is probably the easiest to only issue assets with ("decimals": 0)    

(If you are unsure, first making a test payment of amountNQTPerQNT=1 might be a good idea too).



Anyways, now I got this result:


which is the transaction 9318473567111208195.


As I had extracted the balances of all accounts before the dividends payment,
and after ... I can show you the effects in this final picture:



As all 3 shareholders together are holding (green columns)
28.8609 assets (= 288609 QNT), with our above calculation we would expect that
2 HZ * 28.8609 = 57.7218 HZ are paid out (difference of the red columns before/after)
- and that is really the case (see orange column); plus
4 HZ chosen manually for the fees.

After the payment, the issuer account's balance is 61.7218 HZ lower.


And now, comparing the quantityQNT and the amountNQT that was paid,
we are getting the purple colum ... and there is the 20000 again.

I think I've understood it. Explaining it to others ... is a good way to go.

And you?
                :-)


Feel free to link to this "How to pay dividends" from your website the OP#1.
Published under my giveback license v05 = free, but please give, if you like this.

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EDIT: retweet - thx.

Assets and Dividends information, anyone?

Another interesting addition to our world here ... would be a webpage dedicated to dividends information.

I see many options:

• simply as a condition on page=transaction&id=9318473567111208195 that recognizes ("type": 2, "subtype": 6) transactions, and then presents the data in the "attachment".
  
• or as separate page page=dividends&transaction=9318473567111208195 that calls the same page, but manually
• or even page=dividends&asset=5903523947573024709 with all dividends for that asset, ever?
  
  
• and/or if you, @Emerger, are interested, perhaps your great http://hzcharts.coin.emergate.net site could search for ("type": 2, "subtype": 6) transactions, and present them alongside the assets?
  
  
• Also, I don't know if you heard it, but Kushti is giving up his excellent SAE http://trade.secureae.com - and rumors said he'd be opening his source code. So perhaps someone is interested in (issuing an asset to collect money for) porting that great site to HZ?
  
  
• I don't know who has experiences with plugins yet, and how easily they can be ported to HZ - but Testdruif has created a plugin "Dividend Details" which is presenting such information inside the wallet.
  
  
• Plus, of course: your idea  

Greetings!

 

Hey, everyone! Could you look at this PRE-ANN and tell me what you think? It's a project I've been working quietly on for more than a month now.

https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/1349325.0

Feedback much appreciated.

Wow, that is just ... perfect.




Well done, Emerger!

Yes, that simple display ... does tell the whole story.

Superb. Thanks!


I like how you are linking to explorer.horizonplatform.io via the transaction time - so the other idea would now also really make sense:
Happy to look into that, funding provided, as usual. I already know the PHP code a little bit, because I added the asset pages (see June 29th four postings).



Yes, good question:
To me it looked as if the error message appeared because in my first attempt I was not the issuer.
I have now crawled into the sourcecode, and I found '  if (asset.getAccountId() != transaction.getSenderId()  ', which seems to support my assumption?
Perhaps @MaWo can confirm?


Have you had a look at testdruif's plugin? I think he is additionally also searching ALL (unencrypted) messages for the word "dividend". (?)

Ah, very good. Then I will put my precious lifetime into something else. So many things to do!

 

HOW TO SET UP AND RUN YOUR HORIZON WALLET: QUICK GUIDE FOR NEWBIES

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PART ONE: DOWNLOAD YOUR HORIZON WALLET

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Download your full-node Horizon wallet here. It's the download on the left-hand side of the page. When you're finished, please check the integrity of your download by comparing the SHA-256 sum of your download with the official sum specified on the official wallet-download page..

• If you're using Windows, download this checksum checker.  One you've got it installed, click the "Manage" button and the "Open File" icon on the top left of the Manage page. Load the Horizon wallet into it. Then, press the "Archive Information" icon - it's third to the right - and then press the "Checksums" button. The answer you get should match the SHA-256 hash on the Website.
• If you're using Linux, use the command-line shell to navigate to the same directory you downloaded the wallet into. Once you're there, type this: sha256sum hz-v5.4.zip & hit good-ol' [ENTER]. The answer you get should match the SHA-256 hash on the Website.
• If you're using Mac, open up your command-line app and navigate to the same directory you downloaded the wallet into. Once you're there, type this: shasum -a 256 hz-v5.4.zip & hit ye [ENTER]. The answer you get should match the SHA-256 hash on the Website. .

Whichever system you have, the SHA-256 checksum should match the official sum on the download page. As of the time of this post, it's 86a2b00306f1bbee281d29a17678384a4172ed104b82749f7eefd1fcef5695b4. Please keep in mind that this procedure is good for the Full Wallet version 5.4 - and please confirm this information yourself on the official Horizon download page

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PART TWO: UNZIP, OPEN UP THE HORIZON WALLET AND START THE SERVER

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Unzip the wallet, open the container folder and drag the inner folder out to your desktop or wherever you want to stick it. When you open up the folder, you should see this:

• If you're using Windows, click the run.bat file.
• If you're using Linux, start up the run.sh file: it's just below the Windows one.
• If you're using Mac, click the mac-osx-run.command file.

If you clicked the right one, you'll see the Horizon Server appear and start running. It'll look like this:


and it'll quickly spit out a lot of text! Wait until you see the line "Horizon Server NHZ V5.4 started successfully." Then, go back to your folder.

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PART THREE: OPEN UP THE HORIZON WALLET CLIENT AND SET UP YOUR NEW ACCOUNT

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In your folder, click the Horizon_Wallet shortcut and you'll see the above Webpage open up in a new browser tab. Click where it says, Don't have an account? Click here to create one! You'll see this form appear just below the logo:


The next part is very important. Once the client has generated your new passphrase, write it down on a piece of paper by longhand or print out a few copies from a textpad and delete the textpad file right away. Do not save your password anywhere on your computer. I've read some horror stories about folks who did save their passwords on their drives only to find them stolen by file-stealing malware. Writing down your password by hand is as old-fashioned as it gets, but nothing airgaps your password better than a sheet of paper!

When you're done, click "Next" and follow the instructions.

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PART FOUR: WAIT FOR YOUR NEW NODE TO SYNCHRONIZE

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This next part is the easiest. Just sit back and go back to whatever you're doing while you wait for your new node to synchronize. While you're waiting, have a look-see at your new wallet and poke around if you like. Any questions? This thread is where you ask 'em!

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PART FIVE: ANNOUNCE YOUR NEW NODE TO THE NETWORK

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This part's almost as easy as the last. When the Downloading Blockchain... progress bar has disappeared from the lower right, your node is synched up. Go up to the green message just below Dashboard and read it. The third line says, "Please click here to complete the setup process and announce your account onto the Horizon network." Just click where it says click here and you're announced!

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THAT'S IT! THANKS FOR JOINING US!

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And if you have any questions, just drop 'em in this thread!

That'd be great! Feel free to improve on my amateurish graphic design.