1. I doubt you do
2. no it's not my site, and yes I would, because I'd have nothing to hide whilst operating a legitimate service
3. And I fight for it, because I talk to the owner almost all day long in his chatroom on the website, and I"ve spoken with him over the phone., and they know their shit about cryptocurrency trading as well as the fact they will be posting information and features on the site that will prove their not operating as a ponzi.

So you should actually stop being prejudice open your mind a lil and actually go to the company (which you can officially visit them) and find out for yourself.

Cause right now all you are doing is pointing fingers and 3 of them are pointing back at you.

no actually they weren't, because they avoided me when i was trying to get actual proof of their "arbitrage" activities.

nobody really asked the right questions (that i know of).

Esoteric (dan and glenn) will be providing actual proof of where our money will be stored, and transactional histories through the blockchain when bitcoins are moved from the wallets to the exchanges, etc. As well as a plethora of information regarding trading activities in general and any other methods they might devise of to further profits with bitcoins (within legal limits).

They are making all the efforts to operate legitimately within the laws of the U.S., just give them some time to prove themselves..

Cause believe me, I will hunt them down if they turn out to be a scam (which as i've said they've done nothing to indicate otherwise at this time).

 

You could call them too. Also when i spoke with Dan Pace over the phone, he told me they were looking at office space to rent. the location of jpaccounts may have multiple offices in the same building. Also being that Esoteric is new, the "internet" tends not to update records very quickly. And I've come across whitepages.com listing that were outdated. This occurred even with my own name/address.

I'm not saying it's wrong, but just dig deeper and be sure I let Dan know about your findings. He'll clear things up.

edit: there is a Daniel at that address:
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Daniel-L-Pace/Point-Pleasant-Boro-NJ/9w7jkva
Age: 18-24

and a debra too:
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Debra-T-Pace/Point-Pleasant-Boro-NJ/bi6c876

2 brothers and a sister, all living in with their parents still.

and this is I guess is (was?) the father or partner of julia:

David M Tompkins
http://www.whitepages.com/name/David-M-Tompkins/Point-Pleasant-Boro-NJ/6zmqsff

1. To assume that, there is not a single difference to bitcoin-trader.biz at the moment but you are fighting for eso that hard. Interesting...
2. You are really comparing a new private run company from some kids to the economic output of whole countries? That makes me laugh.
If the US files bankruptcy we will definitly have other problems than "worth of money" for sure.
3. One reason we have this sub-board is to warn other users and especially newbies from scam.

Oh and Brother is moved out to Texas so White pages is behind. and I'm just out of college with a biochemistry degree with a political science minor as I'd like to have some involvement in world politics in the future from Rider university (need my diploma or are you gonna email my mom for it?) better things I could do with my time then try and run a ponzi scheme and ruin my future when that was inevitably found out as EVERY ponzi scheme is whether in the middle or the end. Doing that fresh out of college before I have my own car or house to ruin my credit reputation and just all around good standing for any future sort of political career. Yea that wouldn't be too bright and a good way to spend my tuition!

Difference between eso and bitcoin-trader.biz. What makes eso so legit in comparson to bitcoin-trader.biz?
Again: There is NO WAY somebody will pay you this amount of interest.

Hint: bitcoin-trader.biz where communicating very well too. A fraudster will always try to make you believe. Thats their "job". At the moment you are doing this job.
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I've been wanting to say this for a while but hate bringing up Bitcoin trader in any conversation involving Esoteric Investments.


Closest thing we ever had to model our site and service after was bitcoin trader, which is why you see the HYIP payout model. because we modeled it from them not because we want to be seen as an HYIP or be seen as a scam, but because so many people seemed perfectly fine investing in them. Despite being a panamanian company that operated in the UK that had a pretty low profits margin from arbitrage and a simple exit strategy...disappear. They claimed to perform arbitrage that'd at most make ~1 percent daily and probly not on the amounts that they were supposedly moving. That seemed reasonable to many of you. We're trading with a large pool of money that we could potentially move markets daily if we wanted. We're just using the pool to get in on large movers like DOGE did and CANN did and several weed coins and URO to supply our payouts. These markets moved over 100% each. So I'm getting tired of hearing we can't perform those types of payouts in trading you can without a doubt, and the way it is set up is that when there are no more profits money then there's no payouts till there is. So we don’t even need to sustain those payouts! We take a cut off the top of profits when we can do payouts we get paid from this and have no reason to perform a scam. Another thing Bitcoin trader was lacking, no actual source of income for them or their employees. Least you know where ours is coming from. Plus we are in the US they track their investment fraud culprits to the end. You all have our addresses place of work names and so does the government with our LLC registration currently and more registrations to come. We've also offered anyone to pay us a visit and a video of us is coming in the next week so you can all see our faces.

So our payout model was chosen only because Bitcoin Trader got so big and trusted with it so seemed like a logical place to build from since it worked for them. Not knowing they were a scam or we'd have never modeled after them and done more a variable monthly thing based on our trading. But thats why we look like an HYIP. Our trading can potentially make trades multiple times a month of over 100% for the investment that got put into that coin. Hell of a lot more to be made than from arbing, so payouts make more sense then bitcoin trader. and again we're in the US we can't get up and disappear from the government or from you all, exit strategy is a hell of a lot more difficult. and the first thing we want to do is get accreditation anywhere we can in the states with FINcen and SEC, not host a bitcoin conference like a past favorite company of many of us. So where are our red flags that say we’re a scam besides our registrations.

Which by the way there was progress on that front we’ll be contacting this attorney for a consult come Monday when the offices open. http://www.lawyers.com/cherry-hill/new-jersey/Eric-D-Frank-32202041-a/

What I'm saying is we look like we do because thats what you all seemed to like and want, and we had a way to provide it. Any one see the logic in our thinking there...

You all are just saying stuff just to say it. Very little substance on this thread now just accusations. We'll be able to prove ourselves with what we got given time, we don't need investments so stay un-invested if you don't trust us, and if you do start earning sooner.

PS if you all want us to lower the payouts to something more sustainable, even though sustainability has nothing to do with our payout model, that is fine it'd be more we can take off the top for ourselves so let me know.

I agree with you! Anyway, Dan will speak to his lawyer tomorrow, as stated, and I am sure that counsel will advise him to halt the operation until such time all necessary licenses are aquired.

BT had claimed they did an audit, but never actually shown proof of it. Yet ppl just assumed it was fact?

Again why so adamant about govt being involved? You trust the govt that much? You're pretty ignorant if you do.

Work for the state like I have and you'll find out its a f*d up system. There's no credibility just because a piece of paper says so. Even with govt certification, a business can be gone the very next day.

I trust this company because of its actions not a piece of paper.

Secondly would you please actually pay attention. In the very first post of this thread it is stated esoteric isn't performing any arbitrage trading. So stop thinking you're on the BT thread.

Thank you!

Yep, their method(s).