This may be OT, but I'm interested.
nelisky: You shout me down, I shout you down. You want that?
Ouch, feelings were hurt, blood got spilled... I meant no harm there, fresno. Sorry if it came out way too harsh, I'm not shouting you down at all, far from that. I am, in fact, just stating my personal opinion on the fact that most of the threads I follow with interest tend to derail into semantics discussions. Nothing wrong with that, it's an open forum, but so much so other people not as interested in semantics, such as myself, feel the need to sometimes speak up.
Nothing personal, I think your opinions are very insightful even when I don't agree with them

but, hey, just speaking my mind here.
PS: I kind of pictured the two of us in a dusty road at sunset, facing each other ready to go for the guns, silence all around broken by the sound of you saying, in a deep voice: "You shout me down, I shout you down. You want that?"