The American Revolution was a freemason conspiracy, yes I get it. The 20-100,000,000 locals that were massacred to allow the first colonization (of North America itself) was a good start in the infamous disregard of human life.

Perhaps it's been like that all the time, and the jews that moved in later, to visibly control the media and monetary system, are just tools and frontline sacrificial lambs just in case We The People some day realize the extent of deception.

Yes, I was charged for simply trading Bitcoins on localbitcoins.com.  It did not matter that it was face-to-face or that it was for cash.  They claimed my trading activity on localbitcoins.com was a business.  I claimed it was not a business.  After about $300,000 and several months of negotiations by my attorney we basically agreed to disagree on whether it was a business or not and they agreed to drop all the criminal charges against me and all the civil charges against all my stuff they had seized for a one time donation to their civil asset forfeiture slush fund.

BTW the cops have always been able to and motivated to ask you if you have any cash in the car when they stop you.  If you say yes and they think it is "too much" cash they can just take if from you without any charges being filed.  It is then up to you to prove that the cash they took from you is totally innocent of any criminal activity.  If you can prove that your cash is innocent then they might give it back to you.

I just saw that they now have a new weapon in their war on the people:  not only can they seize any cash you happen to have on you they can now take all the value off any type of pre-paid card you happen to have on you or in your car:

http://boingboing.net/2016/06/09/oklahoma-cops-can-use-scanners.html

Nice.

Now you have to prove your pre-paid Appplebee's or Amazon card is innocent of criminal activity in order to get your money back!

It won't be long before they can take your phone from you during a traffic stop and see if you have a Bitcoin wallet on your phone.  If you do they will then confiscate your phone and you will have to prove your Bitcoins are innocent (and your phone is innocent) before they will consider giving your phone and Bitcoin wallet back to you.

When they arrested me they took my phone, all of my Bitcoins, all my computers, etc.  It was only after they dropped all the civil charges against my stuff - and I paid them the donation of cash and Bitcoins they squeezed out of me - that I got my phone and wallet back.

Dude got basically ass-raped by the Man for selling digital tokens, and you say... "Charge it to experience!"... lemme guess, spergers?

they can take funds from prepaid debit cards because its not a registered account.
remember prepaid card is different compared to bank account debit card


meaning whether innocent or guilty your 7.7% worse off the moment the card is swiped.
and if found guilty later in court. the police get to keep the other 92.3%


yep store bitcoins on your phone with a phone keypad lock.
store your private keys at home in a way that they wont find it if they raided your house.
then when they are trying to bruteforce the phone hopefully you or a relative can move the funds making the old private keys useless

other advice if your using a online wallet app on your phone. set up 2 accounts.. if ever asked to log in to display balance. only log into the account with least funds, should you be in a threatened situation where they wont back off unless they move funds in your presence,making you unable to move funds secretly

This sharing of the loot with the vendor is actually par for the course.  Remember that traffic light cameras are often operated with a cut going to the vendor and the rest going to the government.  Also here is another example, also from Oklahoma, of a vendor getting a cut of the loot:

The entire article is worth a read and is very chilling:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/07/police-intelligence-targets-cash/

ASIDE:  you can see if Desert Snow has recently or will soon be training the cops in your area here:

https://desertsnow.com/conferences

These trainings have drawn crowds of protesters in the past and it might be fun to organize a protest at one near you if that is your kind of thing.

Some very good advice there.  However you need to keep in mind a second, most foul, area of law that comes in to play.  Together with the insane "civil asset forfeiture" laws the other insane area of law is the "contempt of court" laws.

First off, the presence of a Bitcoin wallet on a phone can probably be claimed to be evidence of possibly criminally obtained funds.  This means that in a traffic stop if they get your phone from you and see a wallet on the phone with a password they can just seize the phone.

Second, having seized a wallet with a password they can just keep it until you prove it is innocent.  Yes, you can move your funds off the phone and let them have the phone and just walk away with your Bitcoins and replace your phone.

However there are two scenarios in which this is not the case:

1) if you are arrested at the time of the seizure

2) if they manage to find out you moved their new funds off their new phone after they seized the phone

If you refuse to give them the password or the moved funds you can be charged with contempt of court and be placed in jail until you give them the password or the funds.  This is a pretty big hassle for them and a lot more work than just taking cash, pre-paid cards, unprotected Bitcoins, etc. so they would have to think the possible profit worth the effort so the amount of, or their perception of, the amount comes in to play.

The "good" news is that this would involve having to arrest and charge you with something so you start to have some rights in the process, can hire an attorney, go to court, etc.

The bad news is that contempt of court charges can not be appealed.  Also for all practical purposes there is no time limit for a contempt of court charge.  They can give you 30 days, bring you back to court, if you refuse again - another 30 days, rinse and repeat as long as they want.

at first i thought the contempt of court was just about disobeying the judge or officers of the court... not police officers on a road.

but seeing as how ERAD works by filing a court document in miliseconds to allow the officer to then mess around with people "funds", i can see what you mean that not handing funds over would technically be seen as a contempt of court.

this is why i said
have 2 wallet accounts. only give them the wallet password with least funds in if you feel threatened and have no opportunity to secretly move your main funds.

Agree with the two previous posts.

When I was arrested the prosecution asked that I be incarcerated without a bond hearing for the maximum time allowed under the Patriot act, six days.  One of the reasons for this pre-bond hearing incarceration was to make sure I did not move my funds before they had a chance to find them.  They were very concerned that I might move my Bitcoins out of seized wallets on seized computers before they had a chance to find them all and move the Bitcoins to their own wallet.

ASSIDE:  I found out later that their wallet was a Trezor that they had seized in another case.

The judge initially granted the prosecution's request for a six day hold before the bond hearing.  My attorney, after getting his mandatory $50,000 cash retainer, did successfully argue this and I was given a bond hearing and got out on bond after only four days and three nights in jail.  I assume I would have survived another few days being bored to death in solitary confinement but it would have totally sucked.

By the time I was released on bond they had found and had moved most of my Bitcoins, the Bitcoins I was holding for my non-tech savvy parents, and some other Bitcoins that were not mine (was holding for a friend until he got his own Trezor.

I knew I had found one of the Royal Knights at one point.  Found him again, Royal Knight #13:


It is a major accomplishment, not easy to do, and I am sure he is very proud of it.

http://www.bernalillocountysheriff.com/cmdstaff.html

But what Burt did was illegal, and yet I find myself sympathising with him, and not with self-proclaimed "legit" users. Why is it that otherwise intelligent people do not understand the difference between "illegal" and "immoral"? How can people who have understood and used Bitcoin for years not recognise that Bitcoin's very existence cuts right to the heart of that issue? I'm sorry unamis, I like your posts, but I have to say this. Where does the assumption come from that all laws are moral?

I'm pleased you can see where I'm coming from. I won't pretend I know how to solve all these problems, because they are difficult; better solutions would already be apparent if it was so easy.

But half of the battle is the perception of others; if some critical number of people simply did not accept that confiscating money is ever legitimate, then maybe a change in culture could be established (and I expect this will happen eventually: the poor are well incentivised to use Bitcoin to protect their assets, and they have the requisite numbers for a critical-mass ).