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    Author Topic: Unbelievable. 999dice "fixes" their system and sneaks in a new scam tactic.  (Read 3675 times)
    keepinquiet (OP)
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    February 28, 2015, 02:51:08 AM
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    So I heard from a friend that 999dice removed the click to see the hash button, so I went over to see exactly what they did.

    Yep, they removed the button, the hash is always visible (assuming you want to stay on the Fair Bets tab and never see your bet history or the chat room as you play). Whats amazing is that the hash is always in the HTML - my 'scambuster' script in the other thread can read the hash without ever having that tab open. So if it's always there, why hide it?

    Anyway, the reason I got riled up and went to post this is I tried a few bets with my script to be sure it still worked (since there's no button to push anymore) and I flipped out because the client hash I was setting is NOT what was showing in the Client Hash box.

    Until I watched it.

    999dice is now overwriting your own client seed on EVERY bet! The asshole thief admin, having been forced to change remove the button, made A WHOLLY UNNECESSARY CHANGE and now the site will re-write the Client Seed ON EVERY BET.

    For all anyone knows, the seed it's set to, when run with the server seed, will produce the result the site wants. Sure, they don't know which way you'll bet, but you can be damn sure that people bet in patterns. It's the simplest software in the world to determine a likely pattern of 0/1/0/1 and then set a client seed that will work with the server seed to force a loss.

    Hey "Jay" - when the hell are you going to stop the scamming? I click the button that says "Set the Client Seed manually" - and you forcibly change it on every bet!

    Once again, forcing me to change the seed. Something, that, when you do it, notifies the server BEFORE you place the bet.

    Here's the code:
    $("#FairTabClientSeed").focusout(view.controls.updateClientSeed);

    What that says is when the element with the id fairtabclientseed loses focus (you click out of the box), it runs updateClientSeed.

    Know what updateClientSeed does?
    updateClientSeed:function() {
      var n=$("#FairTabClientSeed").val().trim();
      if(n.length===0) {
        view.updateUserInfo();
      return }
      pipe.server.setClientSeed(n)
    }

    That runs a call to TELL THE SERVER YOU CHANGED THE CLIENT SEED. No, not when you bet, but as soon as you update the seed.

    Why the hell does the server need to know that BEFORE you bet?

    So let's review:
    Old 999dice: You must inform the server you are checking the hash by clicking a button before you bet, and you're forced to do it for every bet.

    New 999dice: You must inform the server you are checking the hash by manually inputting a client seed, arguably more work than clicking the 'get server seed hash' button, and the server changes it after you bet, so that you're forced to do it for every bet.

    He removed one scammy thing and replaced it with another, that does the SAME THING.

    If you don't set your own client seed and you use the one they provide, they know the outcome of the roll before you ever push a button, and they can provide a client seed that will err in their favor if you follow the same pattern you have been for betting. And humans are terrible sources of entropy. The site can absolutely figure out your next likely high/low bet, and provide a client seed that lets them win (assuming you follow your pattern. Its not foolproof, but it's something that bends the favor in their direction).

    If you DO change the seed, they know what you sent in advance, and know you're looking.

    All this I found from checking the site out for 5 minutes. I'm almost positive something worse is going on. I just havent even begun to look yet.

    Oh, and the chat room is auto-censored for anything anyone could possibly say to accuse them, or warn others of the scam. Try sending a bitcointalk link to the chatroom. YOU will see it. No one else will.



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