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    October 22, 2016, 04:10:48 PM
     #901
    Quote from: carlisle1 on October 22, 2016, 04:06:53 PM
    Quote from: bitdumper on October 19, 2016, 03:53:21 PM
    actully yes it is kind of illigal but here nobody will actully gonna punish you as it is not in power of any government but if someone really finds a scammer then yes they can take appropriate action like arresting them

    that's the point , it would never be considered as illegal as long as government didn't a law about it . in our way of thinking yes it would be illegal but of course the government will only mind those things that they have the control at . and even at any angle we look at it , stealing is still wrong there would be no change on it .

    The common sense would tell us that stealing is illegal. It does not matter what somebody steals.

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    October 22, 2016, 04:59:44 PM
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    Quote from: Lasvista on October 22, 2016, 04:10:48 PM
    The common sense would tell us that stealing is illegal. It does not matter what somebody steals.

    What if someone steals your 'idea' - is that illegal according to your dumb analysis.  What about 'time', what if someone steals your time?  is that illegal?  According to your rule, it is.  But according to the real law time is not tangible so stealing someone's time is not illegal. 

    Bitcoin is also intangible.  Therefore, you can steal it all day long and you are just manipulating bit patterns on a crazy continuous list of similar bit patterns.  It is not illegal to put some bit patterns on the blockchain.  If that has the effect of 'stealing bitcoin' - it is just tough shit for the guy who lost them - but it is not illegal.
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    October 22, 2016, 05:42:55 PM
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    Quote from: Harlot on October 22, 2016, 09:44:25 AM
    Quote from: Aamir1 on October 22, 2016, 09:20:35 AM
    Quote from: Alanay on October 22, 2016, 01:51:43 AM
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    It's so funny I thought this place would be filled with smart people. You guys cannot even understand the context in a thread.

    I was asking if somebody generated a BTC address, checked the BTC network, saw it already had BTC in it, then took it, if that is illegal. I am pretty certain it isn't. If you say it is and a BTC developer heard you I'm sure he'd give you a great big slap.

    First of all, what are you talking about here is not possible. You can't just generate an address that already has a Bitcoin in it, because you can't generate the same address twice.
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    If you say it is and a BTC developer heard you I'm sure he'd give you a great big slap.

    Are you serious right now? Your knowledge of Bitcoin is obviously very small. It's is 100% possible two people can get generate the same address but it is really really REALLY unlikely. Please don't talk about things you know nothing about to begin with.

    So if something like that happens suppose you create an address and it automatically has bitcoins in it then that wont be considered stealing as they came to you mistakenly or because of a bug, the concept of stealing is probably taking something from somewhere willingly, so basically you are wrong by considering it stealing.
    Bro isn't that kind of a weird thing to imagine of. If you created an already existing address it means you duplicated it. The Bitcoin that the address will be receiving won't be doubled as the both of you will only have one account. It is also like stealing as you prevented the real person who will receive it to have that btc in his own privacy. Of course you are only imagining things that are out of the possibility.

    Its nothing about imagination, its about logic, it does not have any logic that you create a wallet willingly duplicating it to a wallet which already has bitcoins, but if that happens it is just a mistake in the system or a bug so that cannot be considered stealing, stealing would be if you do that yourself but that is not possible.

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    October 22, 2016, 09:52:19 PM
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    Quote from: klopcoin on October 22, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
    Quote from: Alanay on July 16, 2016, 10:32:05 PM
    Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
    Yeah that is illegal becouse there is must be someone own that bitcoin. You should not take it. You have to generate another adress to save your ouwn bitcoin. Dont act like criminal it is doesnt good.
    i agree with you that its illegal to steal bitcoin from other person and we can not use other people bitcoin and i also think that if someone steal other bitcoin they will be criminal and i think they can be punish after happen it.

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    October 23, 2016, 12:13:11 AM
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    It is a very evil things to do, we already have many thieves around us that want to tax us at 90%....

    Let's stop the robbery, and focus our efforts to make bitcoin the nr.1 currency on the planet.

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    October 23, 2016, 07:05:47 AM
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    Quote from: batang_bitcoin on October 22, 2016, 11:57:31 PM
    Quote from: KingdomHearts on October 22, 2016, 09:52:19 PM
    Quote from: klopcoin on October 22, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
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    Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
    Yeah that is illegal becouse there is must be someone own that bitcoin. You should not take it. You have to generate another adress to save your ouwn bitcoin. Dont act like criminal it is doesnt good.
    i agree with you that its illegal to steal bitcoin from other person and we can not use other people bitcoin and i also think that if someone steal other bitcoin they will be criminal and i think they can be punish after happen it.

    Well in everything that you are going to steal that is against the law and if you don't want to be punished by law then don't steal. But bitcoin doesn't have law at all so I would say it is going to make the stealers or hackers to steal more bitcoins because no law is able to punish them. I think the international organization for bitcoin must create sort of this law.

    Even  if you suggest  to make  a law   regarding  on this   stolen  bitcoins   then  i would say  it  still useless  to implement because  on the  anonymity of bitcoin itself   they would really  have a hard time   to track those  bitcoins  and  anyone  could  use mixing of their coins  which is  more  a hard thing  for them.

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    October 23, 2016, 10:53:26 AM
     #907
    Quote from: Zadicar on October 23, 2016, 07:05:47 AM
    Quote from: batang_bitcoin on October 22, 2016, 11:57:31 PM
    Quote from: KingdomHearts on October 22, 2016, 09:52:19 PM
    Quote from: klopcoin on October 22, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
    Quote from: Alanay on July 16, 2016, 10:32:05 PM
    Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
    Yeah that is illegal becouse there is must be someone own that bitcoin. You should not take it. You have to generate another adress to save your ouwn bitcoin. Dont act like criminal it is doesnt good.
    i agree with you that its illegal to steal bitcoin from other person and we can not use other people bitcoin and i also think that if someone steal other bitcoin they will be criminal and i think they can be punish after happen it.

    Well in everything that you are going to steal that is against the law and if you don't want to be punished by law then don't steal. But bitcoin doesn't have law at all so I would say it is going to make the stealers or hackers to steal more bitcoins because no law is able to punish them. I think the international organization for bitcoin must create sort of this law.

    Even  if you suggest  to make  a law   regarding  on this   stolen  bitcoins   then  i would say  it  still useless  to implement because  on the  anonymity of bitcoin itself   they would really  have a hard time   to track those  bitcoins  and  anyone  could  use mixing of their coins  which is  more  a hard thing  for them.
    There's no law that is going to happen or be created, we are living in a anonymous world and that is the nature of bitcoin, it is either the government will ban the use of bitcoin or we will be successful in using this forever. If someone loses his bitcoins, normal reasons are because of negligence.
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    October 23, 2016, 10:59:45 AM
     #908
    Quote from: RealBitcoin on October 23, 2016, 12:13:11 AM
    It is a very evil things to do, we already have many thieves around us that want to tax us at 90%....

    Let's stop the robbery, and focus our efforts to make bitcoin the nr.1 currency on the planet.

    No one would listen to something like that really, everyone likes something that is for free without any work which is the case in stealing as well, so if someone gets a chance to steal something or even bitcoins they wont leave the chance at all without thinking about anything.

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    October 23, 2016, 12:38:32 PM
     #909
    It is illegal to steal. It can be anything. It can a currency or anything.  One works hard and earns the bitcoins, but the other takes away from him/her by any source available, either physically or online. Really unbearable dude. This is not a good act. Stealing of anything is illegal. It can be any currency or any valued item. Lets not encourage this using any source.

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    October 23, 2016, 12:39:46 PM
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    Quote from: RealBitcoin on October 23, 2016, 12:13:11 AM
    It is a very evil things to do, we already have many thieves around us that want to tax us at 90%....

    Let's stop the robbery, and focus our efforts to make bitcoin the nr.1 currency on the planet.
    yeah if you have no other option to get bitcoin, do not think to commit theft because it was prohibited, was the work continues, there is a way to out of this problem

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    October 23, 2016, 12:46:30 PM
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    lol steal activity is illegal dont care what the goods or currency
    because if we hack some bitcoin and they can track and found the robber maybe they will get punishment
    on some country bitcoin is form property now and valuable legal

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    October 23, 2016, 02:29:51 PM
     #912
    Quote from: KingdomHearts on October 22, 2016, 09:52:19 PM
    Quote from: klopcoin on October 22, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
    Quote from: Alanay on July 16, 2016, 10:32:05 PM
    Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
    Yeah that is illegal becouse there is must be someone own that bitcoin. You should not take it. You have to generate another adress to save your ouwn bitcoin. Dont act like criminal it is doesnt good.
    i agree with you that its illegal to steal bitcoin from other person and we can not use other people bitcoin and i also think that if someone steal other bitcoin they will be criminal and i think they can be punish after happen it.

    Stealing bitcoins is no difference than stealing the fiat and both are illegal and also against the law. But the only difference is that if you steal bitcoins, there are very less chances that you will be caught as bitcoin is anonymous.

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    October 23, 2016, 02:55:28 PM
     #913
    Anything that is owning a bitcoin from someone is stealing.
    This is a against the law. I suggest that you must a find
    way to earn bitcoin.

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    October 23, 2016, 07:56:32 PM
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    Quote from: Alanay on October 22, 2016, 01:27:56 AM
    It's so funny I thought this place would be filled with smart people. You guys cannot even understand the context in a thread.

    I was asking if somebody generated a BTC address, checked the BTC network, saw it already had BTC in it, then took it, if that is illegal. I am pretty certain it isn't. If you say it is and a BTC developer heard you I'm sure he'd give you a great big slap.
    But there is no way that a persons can generate same address or an address get generated twice within this small number of bitcoin users. The probability of that happen is very very and very low, I have not heard that happen and I think it may take hundreds of years to happen even bitcoin gets exponentially new users.

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    October 24, 2016, 05:02:01 AM
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    Obviously stealing words from ones mouth is also a crime and stealing anything is a crime. Bitcoin is a digital money and it doesn't mean that you could make others your own. But you had mentioned that if you  get bitcoin from randomly generated address then it's not is not your fault. You could enjoy with your money.

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    October 24, 2016, 05:35:43 AM
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    Quote from: Oralmat on October 23, 2016, 02:29:51 PM
    Quote from: KingdomHearts on October 22, 2016, 09:52:19 PM
    Quote from: klopcoin on October 22, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
    Quote from: Alanay on July 16, 2016, 10:32:05 PM
    Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
    Yeah that is illegal becouse there is must be someone own that bitcoin. You should not take it. You have to generate another adress to save your ouwn bitcoin. Dont act like criminal it is doesnt good.
    i agree with you that its illegal to steal bitcoin from other person and we can not use other people bitcoin and i also think that if someone steal other bitcoin they will be criminal and i think they can be punish after happen it.

    Stealing bitcoins is no difference than stealing the fiat and both are illegal and also against the law. But the only difference is that if you steal bitcoins, there are very less chances that you will be caught as bitcoin is anonymous.
    Yeah that is correct. Stealling anything is always illegal. Event just crypto currency like bitcoin. I think you shoukd be do not think to take it, just leave it and generate new bitcoin address again. although you will never caught but it is for keep your heart stay pure and holy.

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    October 24, 2016, 07:25:46 AM
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    Quote from: agamasrori on October 24, 2016, 05:35:43 AM
    Quote from: Oralmat on October 23, 2016, 02:29:51 PM
    Quote from: KingdomHearts on October 22, 2016, 09:52:19 PM
    Quote from: klopcoin on October 22, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
    Quote from: Alanay on July 16, 2016, 10:32:05 PM
    Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
    Yeah that is illegal becouse there is must be someone own that bitcoin. You should not take it. You have to generate another adress to save your ouwn bitcoin. Dont act like criminal it is doesnt good.
    i agree with you that its illegal to steal bitcoin from other person and we can not use other people bitcoin and i also think that if someone steal other bitcoin they will be criminal and i think they can be punish after happen it.

    Stealing bitcoins is no difference than stealing the fiat and both are illegal and also against the law. But the only difference is that if you steal bitcoins, there are very less chances that you will be caught as bitcoin is anonymous.
    Yeah that is correct. Stealling anything is always illegal. Event just crypto currency like bitcoin. I think you shoukd be do not think to take it, just leave it and generate new bitcoin address again. although you will never caught but it is for keep your heart stay pure and holy.
    Stealing bitcoin is not right but anyone who has the opportunity to steal bitcoin would really do it.
    The fact that bitcoin is anonymous you cannot trace the real identity of the person who are stealing bitcoins and that is the big problem for the authorities to investigate the case.
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    October 25, 2016, 03:30:27 AM
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    Stealing Bitcoin is illegal without any doubt, but the matter it's not easy to judge the stealer like we can doing simply with fiat or other currencies, because Bitcoin is decentralized and anonymous

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    October 25, 2016, 03:34:37 AM
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    Quote from: Legendaris on October 25, 2016, 03:30:27 AM
    Stealing Bitcoin is illegal without any doubt, but the matter it's not easy to judge the stealer like we can doing simply with fiat or other currencies, because Bitcoin is decentralized and anonymous
    I believe that all that is done by stealing it is not true, and of course it is something illegal. Well, think about it, if we are in the position of the person who burgled. You may be very upset about it. besides stealing is something that is prohibited in every country, even many rules about it.
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    October 25, 2016, 05:13:47 AM
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    no stealing of bitcoin is not legal it is totally illegal morally and lawfully.
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