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    February 11, 2018, 10:05:56 AM
     #1601
    Quote from: alexnienow on February 10, 2018, 09:04:16 PM
    Loan Amount: .05 btc
    Reason:  Trading ( I am offering Kapu coin as a collateral, since its not tradable which should be soon)
    BTC Address:     16abw73tmdRi1kxgPVVPt6xNS84JschuJ3
    Term Length:    15 days (could be extended if not listed by then)
    Collateral: 2400 kapu coin (.06 btc)

    I understand that kapu coin isnt tradable, which is understandable on the highly chance that my loan request would be denied. But to make things simpler and safer on your side, you have the rights to sell kapu when it is tradeable and have access to request for more kapu if the value of it decreases less than 120% of the loan amount request.

    Status on it being listed
    1. Hitbtc
    - Status: https://twitter.com/hitbtc/status/938016889661526017

    2. LiveCoin
    - Status: Going to be listed in a week and Live coin is preparing for the listing, You can check Live coin and search up kapu, they are setting up btc and eth.
    https://www.livecoin.net/en/trade/index?currencyPair=KAPU%2FBTC
    https://www.livecoin.net/en/trade/index?currencyPair=KAPU%2FETH

    Hello alexnienow,

    Loan Request : Denied.
    I'm sorry but an untradable token/coin it can't be consider as Valid Collateral or as Collateral at all.

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    February 11, 2018, 04:53:43 PM
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    Quote from: AskoAnipai on February 11, 2018, 03:49:20 PM
    Hey mate.
    Samm lending
    Loan Amount: 0.001
    Reason: buy different coins
    BTC Address: 1BwsB6G1WiGpjTcRweqiFAUR3W1Zhq243u     
    Term Length: 7 days
    Collateral: My binance.com account https://btc.com/1BwsB6G1WiGpjTcRweqiFAUR3W1Zhq243u

    Loan Request : Denied.
    The Collateral that you offer is worthless. I also wonder how you will buy different coins with 0.001BTC... Roll Eyes

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    February 13, 2018, 06:11:53 PM
     #1603
    Quote from: condoras on February 04, 2018, 12:07:52 PM
    Quote from: BitSat on February 03, 2018, 07:59:53 AM
    Username          BitSat
    Amount             0.0125
    Return               0.0145
    Days                  9      
    Collateral            No
    Address            1NnPH8XYgZxGbfbfdFtf2DnBrPPgrborix



    Hello BitSat.

    Loan Request : Granded.
    Amount of Loan : 0.0125BTC - Send : https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/2cabf1fda2e8f4b64aaaf657f6a2e8557f61fbf70bc6c9b15be78b1d93a8e04d
    Amount of Repayment : 0.0145BTC
    Date of Repayment : 13/02

    Please when it will be the time for your Repayment, on or before 13/02, let me know so i provide you at that time the Repayment Address.

    Thank you and enjoy. Cool

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    P.S: Your Account it will be tagged (neutrally), as a "receipt" of your Loan.
    Today is my repayment day but I want extension until 20 February and I will pay now 0.016 hopefully have positive reply from condoras

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    February 13, 2018, 06:25:39 PM
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    Quote from: BitSat on February 13, 2018, 06:11:53 PM
    Quote from: condoras on February 04, 2018, 12:07:52 PM
    Quote from: BitSat on February 03, 2018, 07:59:53 AM
    Username          BitSat
    Amount             0.0125
    Return               0.0145
    Days                  9      
    Collateral            No
    Address            1NnPH8XYgZxGbfbfdFtf2DnBrPPgrborix



    Hello BitSat.

    Loan Request : Granded.
    Amount of Loan : 0.0125BTC - Send : https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/2cabf1fda2e8f4b64aaaf657f6a2e8557f61fbf70bc6c9b15be78b1d93a8e04d
    Amount of Repayment : 0.0145BTC
    Date of Repayment : 13/02

    Please when it will be the time for your Repayment, on or before 13/02, let me know so i provide you at that time the Repayment Address.

    Thank you and enjoy. Cool

    - Condoras -

    P.S: Your Account it will be tagged (neutrally), as a "receipt" of your Loan.
    Today is my repayment day but I want extension until 20 February and I will pay now 0.016 hopefully have positive reply from condoras

    Hello BitSat.

    Loan Extension : Granded.
    New Amount of Repayment : 0.016BTC
    New Date of Repayment: 20/02

    Thank you for your notification, let me know on or before 20/02 to provide you at that time the Repayment Address.

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    February 14, 2018, 03:19:03 AM
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    Hey mate.

    Loan Amount: 0.025
    Reason: Personal
    BTC Address: 3B6LZLmAjEgXdFAadrFZYqDJEmNB1Ui4YM    
    Term Length: 12 days (February 25)
    Collateral: None

    Signed using: 1i85KURjwNd65UE579ThzSD4GzxVUtGFV

    Code:
    I am krishnapramod from bitcointalk.org, today is February 14, 2018. I am asking for a no collateral loan from condoras which would be repaid within 12 days.

    Code:
    HNg4JMGtQR/bO+t/f2BYKsZ+UbY0T/6BEtv2peEQ4GxOHfbQZCn/U4iiueZdsu9ZQnHQGPoxl4uIAVgEbKKHgh4=

    Thank you.

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    February 14, 2018, 11:03:13 AM
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    Quote from: Bitckerz on February 14, 2018, 03:19:03 AM
    Hey mate.

    Loan Amount: 0.025
    Reason: Personal
    BTC Address: 3B6LZLmAjEgXdFAadrFZYqDJEmNB1Ui4YM    
    Term Length: 12 days (February 25)
    Collateral: None

    Signed using: 1i85KURjwNd65UE579ThzSD4GzxVUtGFV

    Code:
    I am krishnapramod from bitcointalk.org, today is February 14, 2018. I am asking for a no collateral loan from condoras which would be repaid within 12 days.

    Code:
    HNg4JMGtQR/bO+t/f2BYKsZ+UbY0T/6BEtv2peEQ4GxOHfbQZCn/U4iiueZdsu9ZQnHQGPoxl4uIAVgEbKKHgh4=

    Thank you.

    Hello krishnapramod.

    Loan Request : Granded.
    Sign Message : Verified.
    Amount of Loan : 0.025BTC - Send : https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/e35917c166abce61d9ebb732005b361fcbd911a7475eb74f088eaff6c5e18bcc
    Amount of Repayment : 0.0283BTC (half fees included)
    Date of Repayment : 27/02

    Please when it will be the time for your Repayment, on or before 27/02, let me know so i provide you at that time the Repayment Address.

    Thank you and enjoy. Cool

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    February 18, 2018, 03:41:57 AM
     #1607
    Hi Condoras,


    Could I use you as an escrow for a loan?
    Please inform me with details if so

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    February 18, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
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    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 03:41:57 AM
    Hi Condoras,

    Could I use you as an escrow for a loan?
    Please inform me with details if so

    Hello Bigraz,
    Yes i can be an Escrow but i have to know what deal you have in mind and what involve this deal (coins,assets etc).
    Send me the details of it and i let you know.

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    February 18, 2018, 09:53:27 AM
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    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 03:41:57 AM
    Hi Condoras,

    Could I use you as an escrow for a loan?
    Please inform me with details if so

    Hello Bigraz,
    Yes i can be an Escrow but i have to know what deal you have in mind and what involve this deal (coins,assets etc).
    Send me the details of it and i let you know.

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    Hi Condoras it is for a loan of 0.3 btc, collateral to be held in escrow is LTC and payable in 14 days.
    Are you available now to do it

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    February 18, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
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    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 09:53:27 AM
    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 03:41:57 AM
    Hi Condoras,

    Could I use you as an escrow for a loan?
    Please inform me with details if so

    Hello Bigraz,
    Yes i can be an Escrow but i have to know what deal you have in mind and what involve this deal (coins,assets etc).
    Send me the details of it and i let you know.

    - Condoras -

    Hi Condoras it is for a loan of 0.3 btc, collateral to be held in escrow is LTC and payable in 14 days.
    Are you available now to do it

    Yes i am, can you please tell me the other member that you will make this deal/Loan?
    You should know that you will need to pay the fees for the transaction. So when it will be the time for the Repayment i will deduct this amount from the Collateral.

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    February 18, 2018, 10:10:23 AM
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    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 09:53:27 AM
    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 03:41:57 AM
    Hi Condoras,

    Could I use you as an escrow for a loan?
    Please inform me with details if so

    Hello Bigraz,
    Yes i can be an Escrow but i have to know what deal you have in mind and what involve this deal (coins,assets etc).
    Send me the details of it and i let you know.

    - Condoras -

    Hi Condoras it is for a loan of 0.3 btc, collateral to be held in escrow is LTC and payable in 14 days.
    Are you available now to do it

    Yes i am, can you please tell me the other member that you will make this deal/Loan?
    You should know that you will need to pay the fees for the transaction. So when it will be the time for the Repayment i will deduct this amount from the Collateral.

    Username is alia_armelle, yes I will pay your fee how much do you charge?
    Just need you to hold the collateral until btc has come through and then hand it over to alia, is that ok with you?
    I will organise repayment w her

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    February 18, 2018, 10:19:25 AM
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    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 10:10:23 AM
    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 09:53:27 AM
    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 03:41:57 AM
    Hi Condoras,

    Could I use you as an escrow for a loan?
    Please inform me with details if so

    Hello Bigraz,
    Yes i can be an Escrow but i have to know what deal you have in mind and what involve this deal (coins,assets etc).
    Send me the details of it and i let you know.

    - Condoras -

    Hi Condoras it is for a loan of 0.3 btc, collateral to be held in escrow is LTC and payable in 14 days.
    Are you available now to do it

    Yes i am, can you please tell me the other member that you will make this deal/Loan?
    You should know that you will need to pay the fees for the transaction. So when it will be the time for the Repayment i will deduct this amount from the Collateral.

    Username is alia_armelle, yes I will pay your fee how much do you charge?
    Just need you to hold the collateral until btc has come through and then hand it over to alia, is that ok with you?
    I will organise repayment w her

    To understand correctly: I will have the LTC until you get the BTC and when you confirm that you have them, then i will send the LTC to alia_armelle (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1764044). That's the deal? If it is, no fee will be charged. (Tips though is always appreciated)
    I will need the other member to confirm this along with his/her Address with a sign message.

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    February 18, 2018, 10:26:15 AM
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    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 10:19:25 AM
    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 10:10:23 AM
    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 09:53:27 AM
    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 03:41:57 AM
    Hi Condoras,

    Could I use you as an escrow for a loan?
    Please inform me with details if so

    Hello Bigraz,
    Yes i can be an Escrow but i have to know what deal you have in mind and what involve this deal (coins,assets etc).
    Send me the details of it and i let you know.

    - Condoras -

    Hi Condoras it is for a loan of 0.3 btc, collateral to be held in escrow is LTC and payable in 14 days.
    Are you available now to do it

    Yes i am, can you please tell me the other member that you will make this deal/Loan?
    You should know that you will need to pay the fees for the transaction. So when it will be the time for the Repayment i will deduct this amount from the Collateral.

    Username is alia_armelle, yes I will pay your fee how much do you charge?
    Just need you to hold the collateral until btc has come through and then hand it over to alia, is that ok with you?
    I will organise repayment w her

    To understand correctly: I will have the LTC until you get the BTC and when you confirm that you have them, then i will send the LTC to alia_armelle (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1764044). That's the deal? If it is, no fee will be charged. (Tips though is always appreciated)
    I will need the other member to confirm this along with his/her Address with a sign message.

    Yup that's it - flicked her the thread just waiting on her to confirm here - can you PM me your address to send my collateral to

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    February 18, 2018, 10:26:25 AM
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    Once condoras has the LTC, I will send him the BTC. Then, I would like him to forward the BTC to the borrower and the LTC to me. The LTC should be worth 120% or more of the BTC. I will set a sell order for the LTC at 105% of the BTC value (if the value of the collateral falls to 105%, it will be liquidated). Before this happens (at ~110%) I will notify the borrower to add more collateral. If these terms are agreeable then you may receive the LTC from the borrower. The borrower will account for all transaction fees and escrow fees, and the interest payable is 0.1% daily.

    Address: 1Sexyb1p8byGxunfTfHvL9SXsWqHyEPVk
    Message: Thank you condoras! 18th Feb 2018
    Signature: Gyc6yPgmbG9/NyK5n5ztvXyR8KyJcWvRVS5e7tkWgs6TPzKxdMwwpQE0loT8fJAR5iKUmhymkIUX20wKa7CLJwg=
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    February 18, 2018, 10:40:55 AM
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    Quote from: alia on February 18, 2018, 10:26:25 AM
    Once condoras has the LTC, I will send him the BTC. Then, I would like him to forward the BTC to the borrower and the LTC to me. The LTC should be worth 120% or more of the BTC. I will set a sell order for the LTC at 105% of the BTC value (if the value of the collateral falls to 105%, it will be liquidated). Before this happens (at ~110%) I will notify the borrower to add more collateral. If these terms are agreeable then you may receive the LTC from the borrower. The borrower will account for all transaction fees and escrow fees, and the interest payable is 0.1% daily.

    Address: 1Sexyb1p8byGxunfTfHvL9SXsWqHyEPVk
    Message: Thank you condoras! 18th Feb 2018
    Signature: Gyc6yPgmbG9/NyK5n5ztvXyR8KyJcWvRVS5e7tkWgs6TPzKxdMwwpQE0loT8fJAR5iKUmhymkIUX20wKa7CLJwg=


    Signed Message : Verified.
    You need though to be specific about the amounts of both coins and after you both agree on, i will post my BTC/LTC Address.
    As i see now Bigraz wants 0.25BTC and not 0.3BTC.

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    February 18, 2018, 10:44:13 AM
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    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 10:40:55 AM
    Quote from: alia on February 18, 2018, 10:26:25 AM
    Once condoras has the LTC, I will send him the BTC. Then, I would like him to forward the BTC to the borrower and the LTC to me. The LTC should be worth 120% or more of the BTC. I will set a sell order for the LTC at 105% of the BTC value (if the value of the collateral falls to 105%, it will be liquidated). Before this happens (at ~110%) I will notify the borrower to add more collateral. If these terms are agreeable then you may receive the LTC from the borrower. The borrower will account for all transaction fees and escrow fees, and the interest payable is 0.1% daily.

    Address: 1Sexyb1p8byGxunfTfHvL9SXsWqHyEPVk
    Message: Thank you condoras! 18th Feb 2018
    Signature: Gyc6yPgmbG9/NyK5n5ztvXyR8KyJcWvRVS5e7tkWgs6TPzKxdMwwpQE0loT8fJAR5iKUmhymkIUX20wKa7CLJwg=


    Signed Message : Verified.
    You need though to be specific about the amounts of both coins and after you both agree on, i will post my BTC/LTC Address.
    As i see now Bigraz wants 0.25BTC and not 0.3BTC.

    Apologies, I realised I had less LTC to what I thought. I'll be asking for 0.25 Btc and providing 14.4 LTC as collateral (0.3btc worth)

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    February 18, 2018, 10:50:41 AM
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    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 10:44:13 AM
    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 10:40:55 AM
    Quote from: alia on February 18, 2018, 10:26:25 AM
    Once condoras has the LTC, I will send him the BTC. Then, I would like him to forward the BTC to the borrower and the LTC to me. The LTC should be worth 120% or more of the BTC. I will set a sell order for the LTC at 105% of the BTC value (if the value of the collateral falls to 105%, it will be liquidated). Before this happens (at ~110%) I will notify the borrower to add more collateral. If these terms are agreeable then you may receive the LTC from the borrower. The borrower will account for all transaction fees and escrow fees, and the interest payable is 0.1% daily.

    Address: 1Sexyb1p8byGxunfTfHvL9SXsWqHyEPVk
    Message: Thank you condoras! 18th Feb 2018
    Signature: Gyc6yPgmbG9/NyK5n5ztvXyR8KyJcWvRVS5e7tkWgs6TPzKxdMwwpQE0loT8fJAR5iKUmhymkIUX20wKa7CLJwg=


    Signed Message : Verified.
    You need though to be specific about the amounts of both coins and after you both agree on, i will post my BTC/LTC Address.
    As i see now Bigraz wants 0.25BTC and not 0.3BTC.

    Apologies, I realised I had less LTC to what I thought. I'll be asking for 0.25 Btc and providing 14.4 LTC as collateral (0.3btc worth)

    With ~0.02 BTC/LTC rate you need to provide at least 15 LTC. Unless alia_armelle is ok with this.

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    February 18, 2018, 10:56:21 AM
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    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 10:50:41 AM
    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 10:44:13 AM
    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 10:40:55 AM
    Quote from: alia on February 18, 2018, 10:26:25 AM
    Once condoras has the LTC, I will send him the BTC. Then, I would like him to forward the BTC to the borrower and the LTC to me. The LTC should be worth 120% or more of the BTC. I will set a sell order for the LTC at 105% of the BTC value (if the value of the collateral falls to 105%, it will be liquidated). Before this happens (at ~110%) I will notify the borrower to add more collateral. If these terms are agreeable then you may receive the LTC from the borrower. The borrower will account for all transaction fees and escrow fees, and the interest payable is 0.1% daily.

    Address: 1Sexyb1p8byGxunfTfHvL9SXsWqHyEPVk
    Message: Thank you condoras! 18th Feb 2018
    Signature: Gyc6yPgmbG9/NyK5n5ztvXyR8KyJcWvRVS5e7tkWgs6TPzKxdMwwpQE0loT8fJAR5iKUmhymkIUX20wKa7CLJwg=


    Signed Message : Verified.
    You need though to be specific about the amounts of both coins and after you both agree on, i will post my BTC/LTC Address.
    As i see now Bigraz wants 0.25BTC and not 0.3BTC.

    Apologies, I realised I had less LTC to what I thought. I'll be asking for 0.25 Btc and providing 14.4 LTC as collateral (0.3btc worth)

    With ~0.02 BTC/LTC rate you need to provide at least 15 LTC. Unless alia_armelle is ok with this.

    According to the current rate, 14.4 LTC is enough. But the borrower must note that if LTC crashes fast (likely) then he will lose his collateral entirely, and if it hits 105% at any point, it will be liquidated and not returned. If the crash is too fast, he may not receive a warning notification at 110%.
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    February 18, 2018, 11:04:11 AM
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    Quote from: alia on February 18, 2018, 10:56:21 AM
    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 10:50:41 AM
    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 10:44:13 AM
    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 10:40:55 AM
    Quote from: alia on February 18, 2018, 10:26:25 AM
    Once condoras has the LTC, I will send him the BTC. Then, I would like him to forward the BTC to the borrower and the LTC to me. The LTC should be worth 120% or more of the BTC. I will set a sell order for the LTC at 105% of the BTC value (if the value of the collateral falls to 105%, it will be liquidated). Before this happens (at ~110%) I will notify the borrower to add more collateral. If these terms are agreeable then you may receive the LTC from the borrower. The borrower will account for all transaction fees and escrow fees, and the interest payable is 0.1% daily.

    Address: 1Sexyb1p8byGxunfTfHvL9SXsWqHyEPVk
    Message: Thank you condoras! 18th Feb 2018
    Signature: Gyc6yPgmbG9/NyK5n5ztvXyR8KyJcWvRVS5e7tkWgs6TPzKxdMwwpQE0loT8fJAR5iKUmhymkIUX20wKa7CLJwg=


    Signed Message : Verified.
    You need though to be specific about the amounts of both coins and after you both agree on, i will post my BTC/LTC Address.
    As i see now Bigraz wants 0.25BTC and not 0.3BTC.

    Apologies, I realised I had less LTC to what I thought. I'll be asking for 0.25 Btc and providing 14.4 LTC as collateral (0.3btc worth)

    With ~0.02 BTC/LTC rate you need to provide at least 15 LTC. Unless alia_armelle is ok with this.

    According to the current rate, 14.4 LTC is enough. But the borrower must note that if LTC crashes fast (likely) then he will lose his collateral entirely, and if it hits 105% at any point, it will be liquidated and not returned. If the crash is too fast, he may not receive a warning notification at 110%.

    Bigraz if you still want this, please confirm here.

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    February 18, 2018, 11:09:11 AM
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    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 11:04:11 AM
    Quote from: alia on February 18, 2018, 10:56:21 AM
    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 10:50:41 AM
    Quote from: Bigraz on February 18, 2018, 10:44:13 AM
    Quote from: condoras on February 18, 2018, 10:40:55 AM
    Quote from: alia on February 18, 2018, 10:26:25 AM
    Once condoras has the LTC, I will send him the BTC. Then, I would like him to forward the BTC to the borrower and the LTC to me. The LTC should be worth 120% or more of the BTC. I will set a sell order for the LTC at 105% of the BTC value (if the value of the collateral falls to 105%, it will be liquidated). Before this happens (at ~110%) I will notify the borrower to add more collateral. If these terms are agreeable then you may receive the LTC from the borrower. The borrower will account for all transaction fees and escrow fees, and the interest payable is 0.1% daily.

    Address: 1Sexyb1p8byGxunfTfHvL9SXsWqHyEPVk
    Message: Thank you condoras! 18th Feb 2018
    Signature: Gyc6yPgmbG9/NyK5n5ztvXyR8KyJcWvRVS5e7tkWgs6TPzKxdMwwpQE0loT8fJAR5iKUmhymkIUX20wKa7CLJwg=


    Signed Message : Verified.
    You need though to be specific about the amounts of both coins and after you both agree on, i will post my BTC/LTC Address.
    As i see now Bigraz wants 0.25BTC and not 0.3BTC.

    Apologies, I realised I had less LTC to what I thought. I'll be asking for 0.25 Btc and providing 14.4 LTC as collateral (0.3btc worth)

    With ~0.02 BTC/LTC rate you need to provide at least 15 LTC. Unless alia_armelle is ok with this.

    According to the current rate, 14.4 LTC is enough. But the borrower must note that if LTC crashes fast (likely) then he will lose his collateral entirely, and if it hits 105% at any point, it will be liquidated and not returned. If the crash is too fast, he may not receive a warning notification at 110%.

    Bigraz if you still want this, please confirm here.

    Confirmed - I'm heading out though will be back in an hour roughly to complete, will also tip you for facilitating
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