It'll be interesting to see the new specs. From my limited knowledge 20nm is equal/slightly less powerful than 26nm per transistor (but more transistors) and more efficient. My guess is ~70% increase in hash per chip with same/reduced draw. I'll give a 25% boost to optimization aswell.

My estimate: March shipping, 1.5 Tera-Hash drawing 600W for $2-3k. (this of course is modular), Expect the main offering to be 4.5 Thash for ~6-8k. This will draw 1800 watts.

well said...i agree with this.

+1

I was alluding to things like 0% interest rates, or balance sheet tricks like buying miners, selling one btc before end of Dec, then claiming a miner price as cost basis to claim a loss, but then sell Jan and not have to pay on the gains for a year and use that money to make other money..   that's the whole time-value-of-money

there are deeper and sketchier things going then these examples

I doubt BTCe is sending out any 1099-B's

Yes us folk, you will pay an annual tax frim btc income, thx god this s't doesn't existing in EU (we mostly pay 30% from salary as tax for hospital,  insurance ect we do not pay annual tax at all)

you took a leap there...  happy travels

It's like you think you're immune to structuring laws (hint : ALL transactions relating to bitcoins are flagged as suspeciouis and investigated, as they should be, vastly abused by tax evaders)

it's like you literally think you can withdrawl from an exchange to some sort of account that DOESN'T redflag and report everything you do

Reminder : localbitcoins is constnatly pushed by tax evaders because IT. IS. THE. ONLY. ACTUAL. WAY. TO. AVOID. TAXES.

You would do well to remember this, but you've probably already fucked up hard and sold your coins.  Or spent them!!!

Remember!~  Spending coins = TAXABLE. TRANSACTION.

Prepare.
For
Audits.

smaller in size isn't a bad idea, but much much bigger/higher in hashing power I hope.

So on the Neptune what are we looking at here ...assuming they ask for $$$ from the pre-existing customers on say DEC 1st 2013.. a consensus here guess of say
shipping started March 15th 2014? or so?

The other related "horror" of this scenario ..is that is 3.5 to 4 months say of $$$ tied up (likely around 10k) for all that time....and that is a lot of time to take pre-orders..so your miner and start mining  with everyone else dumped on network in 2 weeks or so from that backlog....at worst/best case scenario they'd be pumping out units big time the next 2 months (this is due to proven track record 20mm footprint and refund policy and credit card paypal up to shipping ..who would you buy from)...they will  have more orders then capacity imho it will be nuts!!!

I"ll probably buy the next unit..because I am somewhat bored of late and like playing at mining is fun in a scary "hey lets be an astronaut" kinda way.....but I should look at it like a "Bass Boat" and my dream of paying for it by "competitive Bass fishing tournament winnings" ..a pleasant dream but not very likely..of course the way my unit arrived from Sweden last time ..I could use this as an excuse to fly to Sweden (of course then I would have to come home....that would suck)

*shudders to think of ups/dhl handling a "lighter" 10k unit from Sweden to USA...........smaller more fun to toss and better distance DHL/UPS toy.....

silly hobby an't it (have to think of it as a hobby I start to think of this as "real money" I crap myself..oh well wine/women and song are overrated I hear)

Searing