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    The policy to not remove anything worked when the forum was small. Now that we have thousands of posts a day, we can't afford 50% of them being junk. The moderators are now instructed to be less tolerant of low-value posts.

    Some guidelines:

    1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
    2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
    3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
    4. No referral code spam
    5. No NSFW content
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    June 21, 2011, 02:25:19 AM
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    +1

    EDIT:  Wait, does +1 count as a zero-value post?   Huh

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    June 21, 2011, 02:28:27 AM
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    "lot of crap falling from the skiy these days"


    what about a "last edited %CLOCK%" function for edited posts?

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    June 21, 2011, 02:36:17 AM
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    Quote from: epii on June 21, 2011, 02:25:19 AM
    +1

    EDIT:  Wait, does +1 count as a zero-value post?   Huh

    Depends on context Wink Perhaps we can get a good post bad post mod up and running to do the job.
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    June 21, 2011, 02:39:23 AM
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    Quote from: sirius on June 21, 2011, 02:36:17 AM
    Quote from: epii on June 21, 2011, 02:25:19 AM
    +1

    EDIT:  Wait, does +1 count as a zero-value post?   Huh

    Depends on context Wink Perhaps we can get a good post bad post mod up and running to do the job.
    But wasn't that a disaster last time we tried it?  Oh, that was a good poster bad poster mod.

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    June 21, 2011, 02:43:00 AM
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    Quote from: sirius on June 21, 2011, 02:02:54 AM
    1. Free speech
    5. No NSFW content

    Please read 5, then read 1, then read 5, then read 1 and tell me if you see a problem.

    Can I say "fat cock" if I present it in a calm and polite manner?
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    June 21, 2011, 03:34:29 AM
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    Quote from: Alex Beckenham on June 21, 2011, 02:43:00 AM
    Quote from: sirius on June 21, 2011, 02:02:54 AM
    1. Free speech
    5. No NSFW content

    Please read 5, then read 1, then read 5, then read 1 and tell me if you see a problem.

    Can I say "fat cock" if I present it in a calm and polite manner?


    Think of it like this, you have freedom of speech in the presence of your mother, but would you choose your words more carefully? 
    "The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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    June 21, 2011, 03:39:01 AM
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    How difficult would it be to implement a voting system for posts using the current forum software?

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    June 21, 2011, 03:46:06 AM
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    As long as it's not goatse, Alex Beckenham has a major point.

    Also, some of the 'useless' threads are actually quite entertaining, if not educational (e.g. the Rawdawg and Bitcoin snail graph/meme ones).

    I agree with the referral code one, though even that was interesting to see, some people are quite creative Smiley

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    June 21, 2011, 03:49:01 AM
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    Entertaining threads are, by definition, not useless.
    "The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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    June 21, 2011, 03:58:07 AM
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    Quote from: MoonShadow on June 21, 2011, 03:34:29 AM
    Quote from: Alex Beckenham on June 21, 2011, 02:43:00 AM
    Quote from: sirius on June 21, 2011, 02:02:54 AM
    1. Free speech
    5. No NSFW content

    Please read 5, then read 1, then read 5, then read 1 and tell me if you see a problem.

    Can I say "fat cock" if I present it in a calm and polite manner?


    Think of it like this, you have freedom of speech in the presence of your mother, but would you choose your words more carefully? 

    Well the whole post would make sense if you just remove that phrase altogether and not try to give fake "free speech":

    1. You can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
    2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
    3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
    4. No referral code spam
    5. No NSFW content
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    June 21, 2011, 04:06:35 AM
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    What is considered referral code spam? One of those full on advertising posts with referral codes all over it like were posted when tradehill opened? What if it's a little more subtle? What about low content posts with the code in the signature?

    I guess what I'm trying to ask is, is there any reason to not just fully ban referral codes? They're mostly just spam and don't really benefit the forum any. And then it'd be a clear enforceable line.

    Just a thought.

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    June 21, 2011, 04:42:56 AM
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    "zero-value" "entertaining" "pointless" "uninteresting"  
    All these words are opinion based. they do for the forum what the term "terrorist" did for america. I agree, honest is best, remove "free speech" from the list. maybe you would want to consider adding "no slandering of individuals reputation" considering posts like this one:

    http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20340.20

    It's just not right for people to talk about things like this is public.

    EDIT:
    looks like i really put my foot in my mouth this time, maybe we shouldn't lock threads based on peoples accusations of other people:

    http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20440.0

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    June 21, 2011, 04:50:44 AM
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    Quote from: sirius on June 21, 2011, 02:02:54 AM
    The policy to not remove anything worked when the forum was small. Now that we have thousands of posts a day, we can't afford 50% of them being junk. The moderators are now instructed to be less tolerant of low-value posts.

    Some guidelines:

    1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
    2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
    3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
    4. No referral code spam
    5. No NSFW content

    Awesome! 

    One point though; I think that you should remove "uninteresting" since that is completely subjective and there is no way an honest post can avoid it (readers determine interest, not the poster).  I think that "pointless" covers it well and is much more objective within the context of a group and easily covers "intentionally uninteresting".
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    June 21, 2011, 04:57:06 AM
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    Quote from: Mark Oates on June 21, 2011, 03:39:01 AM
    How difficult would it be to implement a voting system for posts using the current forum software?

    That would lead to  a large scale of moderation which would limit free speech as opposed to nudging posts towards civility and relevant content with a given group.

    I still believe that the large pools should have their own subgroups Smiley
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    June 21, 2011, 05:09:58 AM
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    Quote from: finack on June 21, 2011, 04:06:35 AM
    What is considered referral code spam? One of those full on advertising posts with referral codes all over it like were posted when tradehill opened? What if it's a little more subtle? What about low content posts with the code in the signature?

    I guess what I'm trying to ask is, is there any reason to not just fully ban referral codes? They're mostly just spam and don't really benefit the forum any. And then it'd be a clear enforceable line.

    Just a thought.

    I agree about no referral codes (except perhaps in the signature if not intentionally used as the main message like using a large and bold font or huge image).

    After all, most new bitcoin options (pools, exchanges, vendors, etc.) are largely discovered by posts here.  Referral codes could be banned outright if people abuse it in signatures, but I suspect most if not all will be responsible.  Besides, I only know of one referral code scenario right now anyway and they don't even need to offer it thanks to their competition.
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    June 21, 2011, 07:42:16 AM
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    Quote from: sirius on June 21, 2011, 02:02:54 AM
    The policy to not remove anything worked when the forum was small. Now that we have thousands of posts a day, we can't afford 50% of them being junk. The moderators are now instructed to be less tolerant of low-value posts.

    Some guidelines:

    1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
    2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
    3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
    4. No referral code spam
    5. No NSFW content

    A step in a wrong direction. Now moderators will decide which posts have "low value", which posts are "uninteresting" or "pointless". In practice moderators will delete everything they don't like. The words "free speech" above are thus an obvious lie.
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    June 21, 2011, 08:39:32 AM
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    Quote from: MoonShadow on June 21, 2011, 03:49:01 AM
    Entertaining threads are, by definition, not useless.

    True. Problem is, most of this forum is entertaining in one way or another, I'm only here three weeks (2 lurking) and I'm already trying to kick the habit Smiley

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    June 21, 2011, 09:09:57 AM
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    Quote from: AngstHase on June 21, 2011, 02:28:27 AM
    what about a "last edited %CLOCK%" function for edited posts?

    I would also like this implemented.
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    June 21, 2011, 09:13:55 AM
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