RHavar, question on your provably fair system, it's technically possible for the seed server to collaborate with the game server and pretend to be a player and act against the investors, right? I've spent a lot of time thinking up possible provably fair systems and something very similar to what you have here came into my head but I was trying to create a system that was totally independent of all doubt.

EDIT: I'd be down for helping you guys with a provable fairness verifier in my style (Ex 1, Ex 2).

Absolutely. I've added a link to your profile in the navigation menu, so it'll be there the next time I deploy an update.

Glad to know you've been hitting the same roadblocks as I have. I'd love to figure out how to create a system that's provably fair, for players and investors, real time, and trustless. Not sure if it's possible though...

My intuition is that it's possible, just not really practical. I think the way could be to have clients bet with the game server via a trustless payment channel (this whole thing is a big giant ball of complexity, and greatly limited by bitcoins script system, but 50% bets are pretty conceptually easy to support). Then the game server also has 1 payment channels open with each investor. So effectively each investor is running their own seed server, and gets each bet.

The main issue is that there is a crazy amount of edge cases, some of them that really affect the user experience (e.g. if 1 of N investors don't reveal their seed, the bet will have to stall until some timeout period which is probably measured in hours or days).

But frankly, I'm not really sure it's worthwhile focusing too much on investors. I think the bustadice scheme is probably "good enough", and doesn't open a giant pandora's box of complexity.

What I think is an area that could benefit a lot more, is improving player guarantees. Provably fair is obviously good, but I don't think it's nearly good enough. =] If you weren't cheated, it's easy to check. But it still requires checking. And let's say you *were* cheated, you have absolutely no proof (non-repudiation). And furthermore there's no protections against an operator simply stealing your money.

When I get some more free time (i.e. after bustabit v2) I'd like to experiment with the idea of generating all user deposit address in a bidirectional payment channel. And you only release your funds 1 bet at a time (i.e. it would be impossible for the site to exit scam).

Bitcoin Gold is scheduled to fork from Bitcoin after block 491406, which will likely be mined today.

bustadice will continue to operate throughout the fork and neither deposits nor withdrawals will be affected. bustadice will not support Bitcoin Gold and there is little reason to believe that Bitcoin Gold will hold much value. However, should the value of BCG consistently exceed 1% of Bitcoin's value, we will attempt to make users' BCG balances available to them once the Bitcoin Gold network launches (scheduled for Nov 1st).

Another big winner tonight! Congrats to btcking on his Ƀ 35 win!

Right, the faucet amount starts at 10 bits and decreases the more you've claimed from it in recent history. Since it never goes below 1 bit you will always be able to play, though. And if you don't use the faucet in a while it will fill up again.

This is insane! I didn't notice that you are running dice variant of bustabit. Looks very interesting and I will try it tonight.

I have registered on this site. This dice game is unique. By the way sir dev? Is there any upcoming features that you will add like auto bet not the script one and some Level faucet increasing if you are an active member there or any future promotions?

In the future scripts will be able to create their own GUI for configuration, which will make them much more accessible and user-friendly. That's already possible in the upcoming bustabit v2 if you'd like to see what I mean.

Giving players perks based on experience points or something similar sounds nice, but that's more of a mid-term goal. I don't have any promotions planned for the immediate future, but that doesn't mean there will never be any, of course.



Correct, 1 bit is just another way of saying 100 satoshis. So 1,000,000 bits are equal to 1 bitcoin.