Actually Phil is wrong  it is worse then he said.  The tx fees were 1495 coins.

The transactions were  370,000.

So if the top 3 pools  did 52.2% of the blocks   they would have earned  780 coins  in fees.

So if they spent  300 coins  to do 300,000  sends of 0.001 + 0.001 in fees   they net  780 - 300 = 480 coins.

Since the average fee is   1495 370, 000  =  0.00404  and they jammed the network with 0.001 fees  not 0.00404  they score big time.

We must mine on pools that share the fees  or we will die here.

While no one can prove  the top 3 pools are doing what Phil says the fact is  they would make a huge profit if they are doing it.

We as miners must not mine at these pools.

Very insightful Philipma! I've been doing a lot of research about pools trying to choose one for when I get set up again.
A lot has changed since 2015 that's for sure! I've been seeing a lot of people talk about this in different threads, but
you hit the nail on the head. At what point can we get a miners club going that only includes people with this mindset?
I don't want to use the word "union", but a group of people who stick to a certain set of rules, to take back power from
the big pools. I for one do not like what I see from the big pools, and wish there was something WE could do about it.

Actually, not tryin to blow smoke, but Your pool is at the top of my list. Has been for about a week. I can honestly say that
I really like what I see. I spent about 4hrs alone just reading back through your thread. Very nice work!

I looked at it more closely since the top six keep fees   but via.btc does  give back some of them at the monment.

So  the top five are a no go zero money sense to mine on them.

Viabtc is more complex.  they are  paying more then the block  but not all the fees to the miners.

but the top five simply can not be used.

Kano = okay
ck solo = okay
the other ck = okay
mmpool = okay


nicehash is a no go as the rentals could point to the top five.

I have to study this  but this is a different  50% attack

then block with-holding    it is fucking worse  really bad  truly  will kill btc  while the top pools make more profit doing it then not doing it.

A fix is very important  some say segwit  but I think not.

A simple  jump to 4,000,000 size  blocks would work for now.

or everyone   boycotts those top five.

As a noob who has been researching and learning and soaking up everything I can for the past 1.5 months while I wait for my S9's, the last piece of my puzzle is what pool to use. After all of my reading the recommendations on this forum, I will use Kano.

A bit daunting for a noob to setup but I am sure once I actually try with my miners in hand, I will have no problem. Looks like you have really put together a solid trustworthy pool in a field of greedy pool owners. Kudos!

The more I think about this, the more it gets me going! I really want to help do something to
help out. So.....I took some time and threw together some code for a Signature to show some
support, and to help spread the word a little. It's nothing flashy, but it gets the message out.

@phlipma, I linked back to this thread for others to read. If not allowed I'll remove it.

@kano,@-ck,@Jonny bravo--I added links out to your pools. If you'd like to not be on there, I'll remove it.

If anyone else needs to be added, please let me know and I'll add them.

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The problem is that they aren't telling you what % of the block's BTC they are keeping coz it's PPS.
On my pool it's 0.9% of total BTC that comes in - 99.1% of all incoming BTC goes back to miners - way more then them - (though it's 100% at the moment til the end of the year)

On a PPS pool they'd have to actually tell you what they are keeping and giving out over a month to determine what % they are keeping.
It will be higher than 0.9% and extremely likely many times higher.

All PPS pools like to provide ambiguous information about their payouts - yes they all do - so that people don't realise how high the fees really are.

I've stickied this topic to help spread the message.

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Do consider adding P2Pool — both mainnet and jtoomim's fork.

Here is a simple step-by-step guide to setting up a PyPy-based jtoomimnet P2Pool node on Ubuntu 16.04 and later.

Edit: The guide assumes that your system is running an up-to-date and fully-synced Bitcoin full node — e.g., Bitcoin Core — with the -server, -rpcuser=<user>, and -rpcpassword=<pw> command-line options enabled, and that your firewall allows incoming connections on ports 8333 (Bitcoin's P2P port), 9332 (P2Pool's default worker port), and 9333 (P2Pool's P2P port).

Interesting... but this applies to just Bitcoin mining ?
How about the multi algo pools?
Zpool, Nicehash, Prohashing?

That  is a really hard question to answer.

But  I see only BTC  in trouble   as the math is dead solid  correct   that  BTC can  have fee rate jacked up with ease.

Do I mine at Zpool  yes  not BTC
Do I mine at NiceHash yes not BTC
Do I mine at Miningpoolhub yes not BTC

At the moment  BTC  has  an easy way to  manipulate fees  by the top Six pools

the math is there.

You can argue that mining with

 https://pool.viabtc.com/pool/btc/profit/ALL/

that they pay  back some of the fees.  all of the coins above 100%  is some of the fees.

So to make sure  I am not feeding the fee monster and not getting killed by variance.


I mine 2 s-9s on viabtc.--------- no variance
I mine 2 s-9s on mmpool. ------ high variance



If alot of miners  did this  problem goes away
and you will not get crushe with high fees or high variance.

so ½ on viabtc pps ---------- no variance
½ on kano-------------------- high variance

or ½ on viabtc pps ---------- no variance
½ on mmpool---------------- high variance

or
½ on viabtc pps --------------no variance
½ on ck's pool ----------------high variance


any pattern like the one above

would be helpful




Date   Hashrate   Total Profit   Unit Output(TH/s)   PPS Profit   PPLNS Profit   SOLO Profit   PPS+ Rate
2017-12-26   22.844T   0.00166932   0.00015943   0.00135316   0.00031616   0   118.43%
2017-12-25   22.541T   0.00377373   0.00016741   0.00290061   0.00087312   0   124.9%
2017-12-24   22.719T   0.00425017   0.00018707   0.0029248   0.00132537   0   139.5%
2017-12-23   22.555T   0.00494303   0.00021915   0.0029121   0.00203093   0   162.95%
2017-12-22   22.510T   0.00536606   0.00023838   0.00289729   0.00246877   0   177.8%
2017-12-21   22.788T   0.00492021   0.00021591   0.00294698   0.00197323   0   160.28%
2017-12-20   22.867T   0.00415326   0.00018162   0.00294023   0.00121303   0   135.61%
2017-12-19   22.492T   0.00376132   0.00016723   0.00289554   0.00086578   0   124.7%
2017-12-18   22.656T   0.00438107   0.00019337   0.00341745   0.00096362   0   123.07%
2017-12-17   24.742T   0.0046689   0.00018870        0.00377236   0.00089654   0   118.81%
2017-12-16   27.328T   0.00523549   0.00019158   0.00415086   0.00108463   0   121.08%
2017-12-15   27.102T   0.00501499   0.00018504   0.00412332   0.00089167   0   116.76%
2017-12-14   27.754T   0.00533809   0.00019233   0.00420781   0.00113028   0   121.78%
2017-12-13   27.653T   0.00518566   0.00018752   0.00419169   0.00099397   0   118.76%


As you see above  they do pay some back extra.

The math for excluding   this style of mining  on their pool is not as compelling.

I run 2 s-9's there see above
I run my other 2 s-9's here


http://mmpool.org/statistics
Estimated Payout

Rank...Id........DGM Estimate......PPS.....................   Shares.............   Rate (MHash/s)
1   a5d78fff   9.74241459   0.00000000   130,161,014,576_____   0

2   71602a00   0.43753559   0.00000000   20,405,489,465______   23,917,084

3   2d0ba29d   0.21326891   0.00000000   12,671,491,314______   5,583,990
4   c932f3ed   0.23847335   0.00000000   11,985,725,219______   0
5   5e935067   0.05308415   0.00000000   3,806,752,856_______   13,209,683
6   433aa491   0.07248369   0.00000000   3,183,604,233_______   1,072,527
7   0f7b9499   0.03441520   0.00000000   2,603,052,116_______   0
8   d7ec4cdf   0.02936538   0.00000000   2,460,009,494_______   5,852,435
9   8dae603b   0.02509840   0.00000000   1,746,057,383_______   0
10   6bee0a6a   0.03466155   0.00000000   1,735,497,157_______   1,058,581
11   5f5049cc   0.01200661   0.00000000   1,043,206,076_______   0
12   7a6d3ba4   0.01335813   0.00000000   957,114,215_________   1,104,451
13   8b36feaa   0.01720647   0.00000000   919,463,117_________   442,747
14   8f21a6e7   0.00845201   0.00000000   804,922,346_________   12,844,869
15   922fcd5c   0.01101717   0.00000000   656,867,328_________   0


So ½ my hash rate of s-9's  is on a pool that full pays tx fees to the miners -------MMPOOL.org
and to prevent  crazy bad variance  ½ my hashrate  is on a pool that pays some of its tx fees to the miners---- viabtc.org