Admin send some merit to us

It surely is a dilemma determining whether to respond or the extent to which it is good to "help people out" or just leave them to figure out some of the seemingly basic questions.  I do agree with the biblical saying that it is better to teach how to fish rather than giving fish.. but at the same time, giving a few fish here and there does not seem to be a bad thing, either...

So what? 



You seem to be reading too much into your feelings about yourself.

As I mentioned a few times, there is a concept called grandfather clause... and peeps cannot know when they are going to benefit from such a clause because peeps cannot necessarily know when they are going to be  a grandfather or a grandchild.. or some other status in between.  The employment of grandfather clause is to attempt to cause a more fair transition, and that seems to be what Theymos was attempting to accomplish in the transition from a system that never used to require merit into a system that required merit hence forth.


I don't know if it rises to the level of "poorly thought out" , so your word choice does seem to reinforce the correctness of my conclusion that you are bitter rather than attempting to recognize that Theymos had reasons for the way that he rolled out the system.

Sure the system is not perfect, and sure the roll out likely has some flaws, but even conceding those points does not mean that as individuals there are not ways to attempt to figure out ways to deal with it rather than just whine about the negatives and attempt to find maliciousness in those who might speak in favor of something that you don't seem to like in your seemingly bitter childish way, that you have demonstrated.


Well, maybe this reflects your bad attitude about a lot of things in life, besides merely the newly implemented merit system.  If you only focus on negative, then likely you are going to see a lot of it.  Seems like your choice, or at least something you could attempt to fix within yourself, if you wanted to.


In most instances, no one is going to hold your hand, except maybe your mom.... so sometimes, you have to do some of the work in order to attempt to achieve what you want.. and perhaps in the end, no one cooperates - however, that non-cooperation from others does not mean that you cannot get advantages by going through the process of asking the question(s) and attempting to help others can also help you to help yourself.


You assume a lot, here.  There seems to be a goal to weed some folks out, and if the newly implemented system weeds out too many, then perhaps it will be tweaked or if it does not weed enough then perhaps it will be tweaked.  It does not seem to be a implementation that is set in stone - even though its current implemented status may take a decent 6 months to figure out how it is playing out and what effects (good and bad) it is having.


Is this like the death of bitcoin, too... Bitcoin has died a lot, right?  Let me assert this: bitcoin is the king of the cryptos, and there is a lot of disinformation out there about bitcoin.  There are a lot of attacks on bitcoin and there is a decent attempts at competition and muddying perceptions about the dominance of bitcoin, and through this forum you have a lot of potential to interact with some of the smartest folks in the world regarding bitcoin and the various role of alts and ICOs.  You can take a lot of the information with a grain of salt or you can supplement with other forums, it is your choice, but I hardly would conclude that the implementation of the merit system is going to pervert this forum into a status of irrelevancy as you would like to assert.  Sure, you can go over to r/btc or bitcoin.com to get your information, and good luck with the bullshit being spouted in those misinformation forums.


It seems that I concluded based on the context and the words that you said, and your further comments seem to further establish that I was on the right track because you seem to have difficulties engaging in a substantive discussion, but instead you continue to whine about how much meanie I am towards you.... blah blah blah.. makes little sense to me about what kind of objective you are trying to achieve except to derail into meaningless discussions about how the world is out to get you.. and how you are being treated sooo  unfair... . 

JayJuanGee

I find your avatar ironic, because out of your entire, emotional and petulant rant, you danced around the subject. Not once did you suggest why you think the merit system will work. I see you're the fanboy type and you can write prolifically but you'll never produce anything of value because you yourself haven't defined why you hold your beliefs.

First, you are looking at the wrong indicator, if you believe that my avatar is attempting to send some kind of message to you on this particular topic.

Second, you are whining about this merit system, and sure it is possible that you have convinced a few other whiners to chime in to support you in your complaining cause; however, you have also erroneously attempted to argue that I have some kind of burden to support the status quo system that has been established (this new merit system), when I do not. 

I do not need to provide either evidence or argument regarding why the status quo new merit system is better than some amorphous and unspecified change that you may be proposing (such as going back to pre-change, perhaps?). 

If you are proposing a change to the status quo merit system that has been established, then you have both the evidentiary and the logic burdens of presentation and persuasion to convince others.  For me, your whining has not accomplished much of anything in terms of either evidence or logic, but perhaps others will be more persuaded by your lack of presentation, perhaps Theymos?  Yet I doubt it because I think that Theymos would likely prefer to see more evidence and logic if he is going to make some changes that goes beyond mere whining or attempts to divert discussion through largely irrelevant and unjustified personally attacks.

Hmm.

That's a weird take, especially since he's had the same avatar forever...

Also, I've engaged with him in multiple topics (particularly the thread started by Atlas) over the years, and found his reasoning to be sound, even though we fundamentally disagree on the utility of alts.

That particular topic can be approached with logic and still reach an ambiguous conclusion

As to the topic at hand:

I have severe doubts as the, well, merit, of the merit system. I've seen several systems implemented to restrict spam or low quality posts over the years, and they have all come to naught sooner or later.

The reasons for that are many, but the biggest one, in my opinion, is not a negative. There are a lot of clever people here, and they will figure out how to game the system. Whatever the system is. There are many things that can be said about the denizens of bitcointalk, but for the most part they are not sheep.

Let it play out. Theymos does keep an eye and an active hand on his creations. It will work or it won't.

I actually hope you're right. The current ranking system, or I should say, the previous ranking system was put in play for exactly the same reasons you've noted, along with increasingly draconian (but random) moderation.

It worked for a time, and then it didn't, because people figured out how to game it. So it got modified, which worked for a while... wash, rinse, repeat. Even people who can't parse a sentence well in this place can still think and scheme It's always been an interesting place. Sometimes infuriating, but always interesting.

Is any action going to be taken when members are found abusing the system? There are a couple of threads of "abuses" and I don´t see any particular action taken to discourage it.

Following can be reason for this:

1) It can be really confusing to distinguish between abuse and innocent mistake. So, if every case reported their is punished, some members who gave merits by mistake (like for testing), will get punished as well.

2) Admin knows that these default merits that members got will be finished soon. It is not going to make major impact here.