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thunderjet
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December 19, 2018, 11:22:27 PM
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You are welcome.
I just frankly admit that for me it is very strange when you blamed the project for scam, insulted the team, the participants and me with lies, etc. , and now speak as politely as if nothing had happened. But I am a normal person, so I can close my eyes to past events if you really conduct a "friendly conversation." I have a different version of events to you. I would unequivocally put the blame for the drop in etiquette on you and those that were blindly pumping Minexsystem/Minexcoin/Minexpay and Republia or doing it because they were receiving a payment. That then provoked a reaction from those that saw the misinformation/lies promoting non-existent business deals with CSOB and without even making relevant checks about Novarise as outright lies and scam. Having said that, regardless of all differing opinions I have no interest in engaging with anybody unless it remains on cordial terms. Minexsystem/Minexpay/Minexcoin seems to be working towards something far better than they were a few weeks ago. I would welcome any real progress on that project. About Republia, I still have seen nothing so far that alleviates my concerns about it being a scam but that might change in the coming days/weeks You either do not understand the essence of fraudulent projects, or are too absorbed in searching for fraudulent projects, which, in your opinion, is a complete deception. Look around - in fact, there are hundreds of coins that have not done anything even from the very first step, but simply deceived and hid. They do not need to wait more than 2 years to do a dirty business. And now from all these projects you have chosen Minex - the largest fraud in your opinion, which, in turn, has no direct relation to the Republic, but, nevertheless, you have already accused her of fraud. I just do not understand why you are doing this? Much work has been done, no one hides their faces, their names, their location, their telephone numbers, etc. Fully open to dialogue. But do you think scammers do it? Yes, look around again! Just projects collect money, even without everything from work, even without an action plan, hiding people, etc., and people donate money. Why are you not there? Why not protect poor people? Or do you think that I have invested 10,000 dollars in the Republic (let's say), I do not understand what this project will be, and I would not see fraudsters? Of course, I would see it, since another investor is not a novice. Not everyone is stupid, especially now. This is not 2017. Everyone studies the project in length and across and assesses prospects, risks and legality ... Therefore, if you engage in dialogue and doubt something, it does not mean that you are right in your opinion. Every person is right in his own way. But to assert without direct confirmed (I emphasize) the facts that there is no need for lies and fraud. It looks like slander. Unfortunately,there is direct connection between Minex and Republia and it is impossible to negate.You can negate only if you dont want to see it.Minex and Republia do not share only same people, but almost same financial program with minor, irrelevant differencies.Only different part is whitelist technical plan. I do not make judgements easily,but there is a few things which can make every investor very,very cautious: - Both Republia founders, Daniel Shulayev and Vladimir Gyrych and advisor Boris Shulayev worked/work in Minex. 16.Dec.2016,while in pre-ICO, Minex gave statement to different crypto news portals,signed by PR manager,Daniel Shulayev(certainly approved by Boris) how Minex made a contract with one of the leading european banks to buy share in Minex by buying 1,092 millions of MNX for 1705.44 BTCs. Now,we know it was a lie.Big one.Banks do not pay in BTCs and in that time Minex didnt exist as a company.It was founded 9 months later in 22.Aug.2017,so it was impossible to buy share in non-existing company.Reason for that lie was Minex obligation to refund investors if pre-ICO was unsuccessfull.This way they avoided it. Question is how to believe to these people now,when they proved themselves as willing to do anything just not to return money to investors? It is valid question and in bussiness trust is extremely important.They didnt do minor but major violation of investors rights. - why Republia took Boris Shulayev as an advisor? After disastruosly leading of Minex ,taking him as an advisor is sending very bad impression to potential investors and make any attempt to negate relations to Minex futile - Republia whitelist is much more serious and difficult to achieve than Minex list.Costly too.Minex didnt succeed to realize much simplier list.By their own admission,Republia will need several years to achieve goals if everything goes well.For that time Republia will use ICO collected money and selling premined coins. For investors it means that Republia would not be able to keep promise about maintain exchange rate in tight range due to lack of funds for it.Not without massive external financing.On the contrary, using premined coins for financing will make situation even worse.As time passes, initial funds will be depleted and Republia will need to sell more and more coins to finance developping.It will make greater and greater pressure on market and price and one by one,investors would dump theirs coins with a loss.Then,Republia will need to sell even more coins to finance it and here we come in vicious cycle of hyperinflation generated by parking 70% rate and premined coins selling,like Minex did. Now,a month before ICO sale ,despite promises to change financial plan,Republia did nothing.Every investor before initial sale would like to see these changes of financial plan and not to rely on ICO leadership promises.Promises that something will be done after sale, no investor will buy as a truth. All above problems made me very,very sceptical about project.When someone make ICO based on a disastruos financial construction (proved in earlier ICO),with a lot of same people involved in it, I cant qualify that any more as incompetence but as an intetion. This is why this project has so high probabilty to turn scam.Not because people fudding it,but because serious problems and flaws described in text above. I will answer you, although I asked questions to another user and not at all about what you write to me, what I asked. Unfortunately, you want to wishful thinking. There is no direct connection between projects. If you consider the kinship of the consultant Boris and his son, one of the co-founder Daniel, direct linking of the projects is stupid. Did Daniel create his project and this is a connection? What nonsense. Direct communication is a complete copying of an idea, copying products, a blockchain, etc ... This is not the case here. Absolutely new innovative blockchain, which is written from scratch, not fork. Absolutely innovative opportunities to create contracts and projects on a new platform. Absolutely innovative approach to security and the ability to integrate other projects ... And a lot of things .... Did you read white paper? What is the connection with minexcoin? Bank? So even it is modified and will act according to its algorithm, in different directions ... Therefore, do not be silly. Yes. All your judgments that supposedly "not enough money", "not enough coins" - this is only your opinion and desire. The financial model was created not by fools, but by people who have an economic education. Well, you can not know what will be implemented after the fact, you can not know what will be modified, because the project completely eliminates hard forks and is subject to change, depending on the participants жeл desires by voting. And I appreciate your concern for your concern with the Republia project, but you read the questions I wrote earlier and answer them better. How did Republia deserve such attention? Why not hundreds of other projects that are really scam? I understand that nothing just happens. And once you are here, it means that you are pursuing some goals. Therefore, I am very skeptical about your sincerity ... Iam sincere believe or not. I have not desire to ruin anything just to clarify some things that are worring any investor. As you could read in mine post , when I linked Minex and Republia I specified that connection between 2 projects are in people and in financial part ,not whitelist.Core of the Republia team and Minex is the same,financial part is copy of Minex one,so this connection is very real. Major problem is trust. How to trust people which made false announcement(signed by Daniel Shulayev and approved by his father Boris, in the time when both Republia co-founders and advisor worked in Minex) about leading european bank buying a share in Minex(which was registred 9 months later and was not possible at that time) for 1705.44 BTCs, just to avoid to return money to investors,because they didnt succeed to realize pre-ICO selling. Such negative audacity to do anything to avoid to return money to investors would scare the hell out any investor.It puts major SCAM sign on the project. No investor would like to see such negative reputation. You are right that both economic models(which are same) Republia and Minex was not created by fools.These people have economic education and that fact scares me even more,because it means that Minex fall and Republia copy of Minex economic model was made on purpose to be unsustainable.Bad consequences for investors were not coincidence,but intention. People with economic education would know from the beginning that 70% interest rate will cause hyperinflation and make any price regulation attempt futile. They knew that promises to investors of massive interest and tight regulating of price was lie from the beginning ,made as a trap for naive and greedy people.Making in Minex OTC option only for selling coins is not coincidence,but intention,because everybody,not just people with economics education know that OTC selling without rebuying option will cause constant price decline which we all witnessed in Minex. That is SCAM sign No.2. Nobody from Republia team ever gives any explanation how Minex proved unsustainable economic model will make better in Republia and why. In this case I would call on Einstein quote " Stupidity is doing same thing over and over and expecting different results"I'll tell you a clever thing. If the goal was to conceal a team with something, and in this case "links with minexcoin", could it hide it? I will give the answer for you - in the end, yes. Did someone do this? Of course not. Therefore, it is not necessary to look for some otherworldly connection. Republia is an open project and even it will take into account the experience and shortcomings of other projects .. This is also not a secret. Further. Please do not lead the conversation in such a way that the event has already happened, namely the collapse of the "financial system". This is especially true of the Republia project, which has not even passed the ICO stage yet, and you have already decided its fate in the future. Do not make yourself a professor of economics. Needless to say, you're smarter than everyone. It is your opinion. The opinion of the team is painted in white paper, but not in the fullest extent. I will not speak for minexcoin plans - that is their business. I can not imagine them, but just an ordinary investor. The Republia project is discussed here. ps Moreover, do not fantasize about the bank in which the cards are issued. Well, you do not know! Why are you doing libel now that cards will be issued in Ukraine? I repeat - you want to discuss the Minexcoin project - they have their own topic. You are right about one thing - Republia cant conceals connection with Minex despite all theirs denial.It is futile job. Republia and Minex has different whitelist,no doubt in it.But Iam not questioning Republia whitelist ,Iam questioning integrity of people who lead it .What they did in Minex pre-ICO phase was deliberate lying of investors how pre- ICO selling was successfull.Doing it, they avoided to return money to investors. That was not some minor offence,but major breaking of investors rights and trust.In business world they will go to jail for that. Another question - if Republia leadsership wanted to make a break from Minex why they put Boris Shulayev as advisor? About what he can advise them,after trashing disaster with Minex? How to ruin everything and get away with it? He can be just liability,not asset. Putting Boris as advisor they were put only big warning sign to all investors - Danger ! Scam in progress ! About financial model of Republia - mine question is why Republia leaders didnt make any meaningful explanation to investors how and why they think that Minex financial model which Republia using would not make another crash ,now with Republia. To explain it to you little more colorful - after some time, people realized that one type of cars has a construction defective brakes which can be deadly to drivers and passengers.Now,you go to buy car and cars salesman wants to sell you similar,new type of car ,but with same defective brakes.You ask salesman isnt such defective brakes gonna kill me and he replies to you: Dont worry ,just drive ,everything will be OK. Will you believe to him?? ps. Didnt want to talk about Minex card here,just responded to Jollygood question So, I found out that your only distrust argument for Republia is that Boris is an adviser? I remind you that, apart from Boris, there are 3 other advisers who are no less competent than him. No wonder that he acts as a guarantor of investments in mnx. All of your facts are not as such, since you have no evidence for example, copies of papers, contracts, or direct witnesses. This is just your attitude to the project. Therefore, to continue the discussion further probably does not make sense. I heard you. Financial model Republia working. I am grateful for your opinion, but the team itself expects what it should be and what its goals are. The goal of higher interest rates for the first time is to saturate the market with additional liquidity, and moreover gradual. Unlike EOS, which released almost 90% of its tokens as a result of ICO within a few months, Republia reduced this number (full pre-mine) almost 7 times, which will positively affect the price of the coin. Further, the banks interest will be reduced to the minimum to ensure a long-term model for 25 years of coin mining. Taking Boris as advisor is just one of reasons why I dont believe to Republia team.But certainly not major ones. As i said and I will repeat it once again: Major reason No1:- Both Republia founders, Daniel Shulayev and Vladimir Gyrych and advisor Boris Shulayev worked/work in Minex. 16.Dec.2016,while in pre-ICO, Minex gave statement to different crypto news portals,signed by PR manager,Daniel Shulayev(certainly approved by Boris) how Minex made a contract with one of the leading european banks to buy share in Minex by buying 1,092 millions of MNX for 1705.44 BTCs.
https://cointelegraph.com/press-releases/minecoin-completes-first-stage-of-ico-ahead-of-schedulehttps://www.nxter.org/minecoin-cryptocurrency-platform-completes-first-stage-of-ico-ahead-of-schedule/ It was a lie.Big one. Banks do not pay in BTCs and in that time Minex didnt exist as a company.It was founded 9 months later in 22.Aug.2017,so it was impossible to buy share in non-existing company.Reason for that lie was Minex obligation to refund investors if pre-ICO was unsuccessfull.This way they avoided it. Question is how to believe to these people now,when they proved themselves as willing to do anything just not to return money to investors? It is valid question and in bussiness trust is extremely important.They didnt do minor but major violation of investors rights. them(just look at theirs expenses sheet list),so they will not be able to do it. To begin with, I want to say that you did not appear (and were not previously) part of the minexcoin command (previously minecoin), so your all judgments are just your opinion - no more. No need to refer to any foreign publications as there are official sources of the company. And the company tells as much as it sees fit. To assert that a bank can do and cannot do - you need to work in a bank or own it (do you happen to work there? No? Have not even doubted), or at least know from "external" information sources that banks can also to act as market makers and even trade on the markets and exchanges, of course, legally. It may have various funds in its subdivision ... To confirm, I provide a link to the article of 2015 (for example): https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/french-bitcoin-revolution-bnp-paribas-plans-add-crypto-its-currency-funds-1512360 Please do not mislead people with false information. I repeat: banks can invest in any project, if not directly, then using other opportunities. And the most important, with regard to a million coins, the company officially announced this information: https://medium.com/@minecoinorg/minecoin-q-a-8ded1b0db1f1Therefore, you do not need to invent anything and fantasize. But let us return back to the question that minexcoin cospania did not exist at that time - yes, that is true. Then there was the minecoin company. Officially, it was announced about the rebranding of the company and became minexcoin: https://twitter.com/minexcoin/status/847502788275732482Honestly, I no longer have a desire to respond to your "facts", especially as they concern minexcoin. If you have any doubts or concerns about the minexcoin project - you can express them to the official branch, you can contact its management with a request about your "lack of sleep" regarding their accuracy and honesty. But here it is concrete - Minexcoin is not directly related to the Republia project, except for the indirect - family ties and some employees (in the past). Republia is an independent project, with its goal, which is more advanced (perhaps) than others - we will see this after the fact. Therefore, I will not give in to your "provocations" anymore. Only talk on this important topic topic. Everything. Thank you for understanding. p.s. The answer to the second question I will give you in the near future. You keep avoiding to give any meaningful answer to mine questions.None,just trying to sell me Minex/Republia propaganda combined with empty denunciation. If I would act like you, I could say - you are not member of Minex/Republia team,your answers to me are completely irrelevant and based not on facts ,but on personal interests and opinions due to investing money in these companies. How that sound to you ?  But I wont act like you ,so Iam returning to explain things based on facts: - I just put links to crypto portals ,so people on forum can read for themselves about things Iam talking about. These portals didnt publish some journalist opinions.They published paid articles by Minex without making any changes or some other interfering.So, these are offical Minex press releases,signed by then Minex PR Daniel Shulayev and authorized by Boris Shulayev and its authenticity cant be challenged.
In this case you are misleading people trying unsuccessfully to present them as untrue or irrelevant. - I know very well what bank can or cant do.I worked in banking sector for 8 years and mine present job is very closely related on cooperation with banks.Will you believe me or not it is your problem.My words and mine knowledge are talking for themselves. - 16.Dec.2016,while in pre-ICO, Minex gave statement to different crypto news portals,signed by PR manager,Daniel Shulayev(certainly approved by Boris) how Minex made a contract with one of the leading european banks to buy share in Minex by buying 1,092 millions of MNX for 1705.44 BTCs. It was a big lie,made due to Minex obligation to refund investors if pre-ICO was unsuccessfull.This way they avoided it. - Banks are always paying in fiat currencies,not BTCs. Everywhere,on exchanges,spot markets, banks are paying in fiat.They can sell on markets whatever they want ,but buying is always in fiat.If you didnt know before ,know you do. There is not at one case that big banks paid someone in BTC. Ever. It is prohibited by law which does not allow paying in anything else but official fiat currencies for international payings and domestic for payings inside the country.So this alleged contract between leading european bank and Minex is just pure,big, fat lie.No single evidence it ever occured except in Boris and his son vivid imagination - In that time Minex wasnt founded yet. It was founded 9 months later. From mine own experience banks are very cautions when investing.There are teams of different financial experts and lawers who are thoroughly examine every single aspect of potetnial investment. They will NEVER give recomendation to buy a share in the company which is not officially registred. Absolutely never,especially not for anonymous pre-ICO virtual companies like Minex or Republia.- https://medium.com/@minecoinorg/minecoin-q-a-8ded1b0db1f1 - just another lie to cover previous one. Of course there was no any deal with a european leading bank. As I said before, banks are not paying in BTCs and not investing in officially unregistred companies.It was basically impossible to invest in Minex because it was not officially registred company at that time. In March 2017 Minex was not officially registred yet . It was registred more than 5 months later on 22.Aug.2017. It just means that it is some murky recognition that pre-ICO was unsuccessfull,but even then Minex didnt return money to investors,despite it was theirs obligation. Instead, it went to another,ICO phase pretending like everything is fine.This pretending that everything is OK when it is not, became hallmark of Minex later. - https://twitter.com/minexcoin/status/847502788275732482 - Look carefully. Tweet was made on March 30th.2017 and Minex was officially registred on 22.August.2017. 5 months later. It was not rebranding one officially registred company into another,but one virtual company into another virtual company.This virtual and completely unregulated reality was the main reason why 95% of all ICOs were scam plots. |
