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    April 15, 2019, 09:38:16 AM
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    Napaka dali lng naman tlgang malaman kung scam ang isang naturang project.

    Usually pag ganitong scheme inoffer wag kana lng sumogal (cloud mining, hyip, ICO).

    At meron din tinatawag na pyramid scheme yung nag bebenta cla sau ng share na wala nmn clang product. ICO's are also completely sh*t may kukuha kang coin wala namang value kaya ayaw ko mag bounty hunt eh sayang sa oras at effort

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    April 15, 2019, 10:30:52 AM
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    Quote from: darklus123 on April 15, 2019, 09:38:16 AM
    Napaka dali lng naman tlgang malaman kung scam ang isang naturang project.

    Well, the fact that the majority of newly opened projects are scams, we can easily say that it is. But still there are no ways to find out whether the project is only built to scam unless the core team members are doing some fishy moves that might gives us some clue that they're about to scam the public.

    What's more to this if a given project is still running for over a year and still havent launch there coin or platform this would be likely now a scam.

    Projects shouldnt be introduced unready, they're just given 5-6months to launch the project (or their aim) if not there's no reason for us to trust them.

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    April 15, 2019, 12:01:19 PM
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    Quote from: cabalism13 on April 15, 2019, 10:30:52 AM
    Quote from: darklus123 on April 15, 2019, 09:38:16 AM
    Napaka dali lng naman tlgang malaman kung scam ang isang naturang project.

    Well, the fact that the majority of newly opened projects are scams, we can easily say that it is. But still there are no ways to find out whether the project is only built to scam unless the core team members are doing some fishy moves that might gives us some clue that they're about to scam the public.

    What's more to this if a given project is still running for over a year and still havent launch there coin or platform this would be likely now a scam.

    Projects shouldnt be introduced unready, they're just given 5-6months to launch the project (or their aim) if not there's no reason for us to trust them.

    For now I still doesn't know some ICO who got successful. If you are still going to wait 4 to 5 months you are just wasting your effort. If the scheme itself is already a scam then why should still force yourself to risk?

    For example is the pyramid scheme, there is or there will not be legal pyramid scheme so if you know that they are practicing this scheme do not ever put your money in it. So by just simply understanding on how to determine a a pyramid scheme you can immediately make good decisions not to fall with their tactics. By that being said you can save your hard earned money.

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    April 15, 2019, 03:37:02 PM
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    Quote from: darklus123 on April 15, 2019, 09:38:16 AM
    Napaka dali lng naman tlgang malaman kung scam ang isang naturang project.

    Usually pag ganitong scheme inoffer wag kana lng sumogal (cloud mining, hyip, ICO).

    At meron din tinatawag na pyramid scheme yung nag bebenta cla sau ng share na wala nmn clang product. ICO's are also completely sh*t may kukuha kang coin wala namang value kaya ayaw ko mag bounty hunt eh sayang sa oras at effort
    Sa totoo lng mahirap talaga maghanap ng lehitimong proyekto na maaaring mag tagumpay. Gaya na lang ng ibang proyekto kompleto nga legal papers eh nakukuha pa ring mag scam . Dahilan siguro na most of the people who are in crypto ay hindi rin nag te take ng legal actions kaya siguro yong ibang mga crypto founder ng mga so called crypto products ay walang humpay pa rin sa pang sa scam ng mga member dito.

    Quote from: darklus123 on April 15, 2019, 09:38:16 AM
    ICO's are also completely sh*t may kukuha kang coin wala namang value kaya ayaw ko mag bounty hunt eh sayang sa oras at effort
    Regarding sa mga Ico . Hindi lahat ng Ico ay walang kwenta. Ang Ico ay paraan lng yan ng paglilikop ng funds para na rin sa mga future developments ng isang product. Oh di kaya ay nilalaan sa mga marketing advertisement na makaka tulong rin sa pagpapaunlad ng komunidad ng isang produkto. Sa totoo lng marami ring ibang proyekto na nag lunsad rin ng isang ICO. Gaya ng Binance, Eos at iba pa...

    Siguro mas okay sa akin yong isang project na may meron ng live product that is running more than a month or a year. I think they have enough funds to develop their products and provide marketing strategy and advertisement.

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    April 16, 2019, 11:35:58 PM
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    Maraming salamat sa iyong paalala kabayan napakadami sa ating mga kababayan ang nabigyan ng red trust dahil nga sa pagpopromote ng proyekto kasi minsan hindi na nila binabackground check yung mga sinasalihan nila basta nakasali lang sila ayun na, dapat matuto tayong magbusisi ng mga proyekto para maiwasan nating ang malagyan ng pula sa ating account bihira pa naman ang tumatanggap ng may red tag.

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    April 17, 2019, 02:32:40 AM
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    Quote from: joesan2012 on April 15, 2019, 03:37:02 PM
    Sa totoo lng mahirap talaga maghanap ng lehitimong proyekto na maaaring mag tagumpay. Gaya na lang ng ibang proyekto kompleto nga legal papers eh nakukuha pa ring mag scam . Dahilan siguro na most of the people who are in crypto ay hindi rin nag te take ng legal actions kaya siguro yong ibang mga crypto founder ng mga so called crypto products ay walang humpay pa rin sa pang sa scam ng mga member dito.

    Hindi mo naman tlga kailangan mag hanap ng mga lehitimong proyekto. Napakadaming maaring mapag kukunan ng bitcoin (services,trading and mining even signature campign dito sa forum).

    Ang problema kasi sating mga pinoy minsan masyado tayo nag papaniwala sa mga easy money scheme kaya tayo madalas na scam or madalas mga pinoy din malakas mang scam. Mahilig kasi tayo mang lamang ng kapwa and that we should have to address.


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    Regarding sa mga Ico . Hindi lahat ng Ico ay walang kwenta. Ang Ico ay paraan lng yan ng paglilikop ng funds para na rin sa mga future developments ng isang product. Oh di kaya ay nilalaan sa mga marketing advertisement na makaka tulong rin sa pagpapaunlad ng komunidad ng isang produkto. Sa totoo lng marami ring ibang proyekto na nag lunsad rin ng isang ICO. Gaya ng Binance, Eos at iba pa...

    Siguro mas okay sa akin yong isang project na may meron ng live product that is running more than a month or a year. I think they have enough funds to develop their products and provide marketing strategy and advertisement.

    Hindi nga lahat ng ICo walang kwenta pero usually lahat ng coins na nabibigay sayo from ICO wala paring kwenta. Sabihin nlng natin na may 2/10 dun na mag bigay ng kakaramput na value

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    April 19, 2019, 11:22:53 PM
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    Quote from: darklus123 on April 17, 2019, 02:32:40 AM
    Hindi nga lahat ng ICo walang kwenta pero usually lahat ng coins na nabibigay sayo from ICO wala paring kwenta. Sabihin nlng natin na may 2/10 dun na mag bigay ng kakaramput na value
    Still, the majority wins. Mas marami pa rin ang exit scam na project na sa simula looks like legit but at the end, they will disappear that we thought we have earned a lot from them then it becomes no value coins. So sad to say that we are helping them to bag huge money and promote for free.  

    There is a signature campaign now, YoBit Signature Campaign (Bitcointalk).
    We know that this exchange site has a lot of complaints and looks like a shitty one and they offer a huge reward per week.
    What do you think guys? worth it to promote even they have a lot of complaints?

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    April 22, 2019, 07:22:19 PM
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    Mga kabayan huwag ng magpatumpik tumpik pa, alam niyo mainit ang yobit signature campaign at nagbigay na ako ng warning, nasa inyo na yon. Please read again this thread and read of what theymos say.

    Quote from: theymos on April 22, 2019, 05:43:29 PM
    129 users who were wearing a yobit signature and had at least 1 good report against them in the last 14 days are banned for 14 days. All yobit signatures are wiped. Signatures containing "yobit.net" are banned for 60 days.

    Some people were talking about neg-trusting spammers for spamming. This is not appropriate; report the posts, and if that doesn't seem to be working well, come to Meta with specific examples and suggestions.

    They are now banned.

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    April 23, 2019, 11:58:43 AM
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    Quote from: sheenshane on April 19, 2019, 11:22:53 PM
    Quote from: darklus123 on April 17, 2019, 02:32:40 AM
    Hindi nga lahat ng ICo walang kwenta pero usually lahat ng coins na nabibigay sayo from ICO wala paring kwenta. Sabihin nlng natin na may 2/10 dun na mag bigay ng kakaramput na value
    Still, the majority wins. Mas marami pa rin ang exit scam na project na sa simula looks like legit but at the end, they will disappear that we thought we have earned a lot from them then it becomes no value coins. So sad to say that we are helping them to bag huge money and promote for free.  

    There is a signature campaign now, YoBit Signature Campaign (Bitcointalk).
    We know that this exchange site has a lot of complaints and looks like a shitty one and they offer a huge reward per week.
    What do you think guys? worth it to promote even they have a lot of complaints?
    Nabasa ko talaga yan kanina lang ang dami pala na banned sa pagsali sa yobit signature campaign. Alam naman natin easy money na talaga yun kahit nga sa rules nila bawal daw ang red trust pero marami pa rin ang sumali. At dahil sa rules din nila 20 posts a day magiging spam na talaga yun sa forum. Kaya naman siguro gumalaw na si theymos na eh hinto ng nitong mga gawain at yun marami talaga ang na banned.

    At malaking tulong na rin itong ginawang thread na ito kasi malaking tulong din naman sa mga baguhan natin na kababayan at para makaiwas sila sa mga dapat hindi gawin dito sa forum.

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    April 23, 2019, 01:08:48 PM
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    Quote from: sheenshane on April 19, 2019, 11:22:53 PM
    Quote from: darklus123 on April 17, 2019, 02:32:40 AM
    Hindi nga lahat ng ICo walang kwenta pero usually lahat ng coins na nabibigay sayo from ICO wala paring kwenta. Sabihin nlng natin na may 2/10 dun na mag bigay ng kakaramput na value
    Still, the majority wins. Mas marami pa rin ang exit scam na project na sa simula looks like legit but at the end, they will disappear that we thought we have earned a lot from them then it becomes no value coins. So sad to say that we are helping them to bag huge money and promote for free.  

    There is a signature campaign now, YoBit Signature Campaign (Bitcointalk).
    We know that this exchange site has a lot of complaints and looks like a shitty one and they offer a huge reward per week.
    What do you think guys? worth it to promote even they have a lot of complaints?

    yep that is why i really do not recommend bounty hunting. Unless makakapag established ang forum ng maaus na regulations ukol sa bagay na yun.


    Yobit has always been doing this shitty stop. Check mo pa yung 2016 na campaign nila in which napabilang din ako sa campaign na yun ng saglit na panahon and yes masasabi ko tlga na wlaang paki ang yobit na spammer at may neg trust yung sasali sa campaign nila. Kasi yung service nila mismo ay marami ding complain na maraming ka bulastugan. Gagagawa cla ng mga dummy coins na wala nmn tlgang value pero lalagyan nila ng good amounts of value sa trading platform nila para lng ma akit yung mga traders.

    Kaya wag na kayo mag taka kung bakit malala yung bigayan nila kasi meron nmn tlaga clang ipang babayad sa mga campaign members. Ang problema lng is that medyo hindi ethical the way mo na earn yung amount. Nasa sa atin din naman yun eh if pera2 lng din naman yung hanap ng iba is wala tlga cla paki lalo na at maraming banned sa SMAS ngaun

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    April 25, 2019, 01:55:22 AM
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    Quote from: darklus123 on April 23, 2019, 01:08:48 PM
    Quote from: sheenshane on April 19, 2019, 11:22:53 PM
    Quote from: darklus123 on April 17, 2019, 02:32:40 AM
    Hindi nga lahat ng ICo walang kwenta pero usually lahat ng coins na nabibigay sayo from ICO wala paring kwenta. Sabihin nlng natin na may 2/10 dun na mag bigay ng kakaramput na value
    Still, the majority wins. Mas marami pa rin ang exit scam na project na sa simula looks like legit but at the end, they will disappear that we thought we have earned a lot from them then it becomes no value coins. So sad to say that we are helping them to bag huge money and promote for free.  

    There is a signature campaign now, YoBit Signature Campaign (Bitcointalk).
    We know that this exchange site has a lot of complaints and looks like a shitty one and they offer a huge reward per week.
    What do you think guys? worth it to promote even they have a lot of complaints?

    yep that is why i really do not recommend bounty hunting. Unless makakapag established ang forum ng maaus na regulations ukol sa bagay na yun.


    Yobit has always been doing this shitty stop. Check mo pa yung 2016 na campaign nila in which napabilang din ako sa campaign na yun ng saglit na panahon and yes masasabi ko tlga na wlaang paki ang yobit na spammer at may neg trust yung sasali sa campaign nila. Kasi yung service nila mismo ay marami ding complain na maraming ka bulastugan. Gagagawa cla ng mga dummy coins na wala nmn tlgang value pero lalagyan nila ng good amounts of value sa trading platform nila para lng ma akit yung mga traders.

    Kaya wag na kayo mag taka kung bakit malala yung bigayan nila kasi meron nmn tlaga clang ipang babayad sa mga campaign members. Ang problema lng is that medyo hindi ethical the way mo na earn yung amount. Nasa sa atin din naman yun eh if pera2 lng din naman yung hanap ng iba is wala tlga cla paki lalo na at maraming banned sa SMAS ngaun
    I agree with your suggestion.. Maayos at tamang regulation ang kailangan para ma filter kong alin ba talaga ang lehitimo at alin ang scam. For example, magbibigay ng Sign agreement ang Bitcointalk sa lahat ng mga nagbabalak na mag pa ico, crowdfunding, etc. Na kapag hindi nila na gampanan ang pinirmahang kontrata ay maaaring maka harap sila ng mga consequeces.  Pwedi ring magbayad ang mga future project sa kay bitcointalk forum. Ang advantage para ma filter pa rin ang mga tunay at lehitimong proyekto. Ang proyektong may budget ay isa sa mga dapat pagkatiwalaan. What do you think guys?

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    April 25, 2019, 07:36:12 AM
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    Quote from: joesan2012 on April 25, 2019, 01:55:22 AM
    I agree with your suggestion.. Maayos at tamang regulation ang kailangan para ma filter kong alin ba talaga ang lehitimo at alin ang scam. For example, magbibigay ng Sign agreement ang Bitcointalk sa lahat ng mga nagbabalak na mag pa ico, crowdfunding, etc. Na kapag hindi nila na gampanan ang pinirmahang kontrata ay maaaring maka harap sila ng mga consequeces.  Pwedi ring magbayad ang mga future project sa kay bitcointalk forum. Ang advantage para ma filter pa rin ang mga tunay at lehitimong proyekto. Ang proyektong may budget ay isa sa mga dapat pagkatiwalaan. What do you think guys?

    I think very useless mate if gagawa pa ang forum ng gantong bagay plus for sure hindi na ito kaya gawin ng mga mods dahil sa sobrang kunti nila at sobrang dami ng gagawin.

    Take note mate hindi lahat ng may budget ay hindi na scam.  For example ICo mostly sa mga yan is my budget nmn tlga ang probleem is after ma kuha ang coins useless din naman.

    Kaya pa ulit ulit ko sinasabi sa mga kabayan natin na eag tumangkilik ng mga gantong proyekto instead matuto clang mag trade, o d kaya is gumawa cla ng sarili nilang business or lastly mag aral cla para may ma gain clang skills na pde nila gamitin dito para kumita.

    Sa ka bilang banda karamihan sa mga newbie naman ay natuto sa mga bad experiences kaya parang healthy din na maranasan nila yun for them to grow

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    April 25, 2019, 08:04:07 AM
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    Quote from: joesan2012 on April 25, 2019, 01:55:22 AM
    I agree with your suggestion.. Maayos at tamang regulation ang kailangan para ma filter kong alin ba talaga ang lehitimo at alin ang scam. For example, magbibigay ng Sign agreement ang Bitcointalk sa lahat ng mga nagbabalak na mag pa ico, crowdfunding, etc. Na kapag hindi nila na gampanan ang pinirmahang kontrata ay maaaring maka harap sila ng mga consequeces.  Pwedi ring magbayad ang mga future project sa kay bitcointalk forum. Ang advantage para ma filter pa rin ang mga tunay at lehitimong proyekto. Ang proyektong may budget ay isa sa mga dapat pagkatiwalaan. What do you think guys?
    Decentralized ang bitcointalk at malabo mangyari ang ganito na may signing agreement parang KYC na din,Muntik nga ako magworry noong April Fools  Cheesy Ang SEC na ang bahala diyan pero sa sobrang dami ng project araw2 may bago di na ma cater  lahat. Pero maganda sana ang Idea mo ma minimize ang scam. As individual mag imbestiga nalang tayo at mag research about sa project kung legit ba talaga wag sali ng sali.

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    May 04, 2019, 08:57:25 AM
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    Quote from: joesan2012 on April 25, 2019, 01:55:22 AM
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    Ang proyektong may budget ay isa sa mga dapat pagkatiwalaan. What do you think guys?
    In my own maybe 80% of chances that they legit and trustworthy basta may malaking budget doon sila magr'run ng sig campaign sa paying BTC which is magiging well-known talaga. I had noticed that even how good the ICO project from the start but if they have the plan to have exit scam they do that. Kaya kung maari iwas nalang talaga sa pagbouny hunting isa pa doon ang quality ng yong account magiging toxic na rin dito sa forum at may posibilidad na ma red tag na rin.

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    May 05, 2019, 03:30:27 AM
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    Quote from: joesan2012 on April 15, 2019, 08:57:10 AM
    Thanks for this very informative content. Makaka tulong talaga ito para sa lahat kong paano maiwasan ang mga scam projects at para na rin ma iwasan ang pagkakaroon ng Red trust.. But I would like to add my opinion. Regarding Mr/Ma'am Nicster551 threads.
    Quote from: nicster551 on April 13, 2019, 12:09:18 PM
    Actually sa sobrang daming bounty managers dito sa forum talagang napakahigpit ng labanan sa pagkuha ng mga proyekto kaya napipilitang tanggapin ng ilang managers ang mga medyo shady na project para kahit papaano ay kumita. Or meron talagang mga proyekto na akala mo legit pero pagtagal-tagal magiging scam lang pala.
    I think, importante talaga na ang isang Bounty manager ay siyasatin ang isang project bago tanggapin ito . Para ma iwasan talaga ang mga scam project.. Kasi isa sa mga posibleng maapektuhan neto is ang bounty hunter nag po promote ng nagkataong scam na project . At pinaka importante sa lahat ang mga future Investor .. At Bilang bounty manager dapat mo ring protektahan ang tiwala sayo ng mga member dito para hindi na rin masira pangalan mo. Ang pera mapapalitan ang tiwala hindi ..

    Dagdag ko na rin isa sa mga paraan kong paano ba ma tukoy na legitimate or scam ang isang project is ang background talaga ng CEO ,mga Core members up to admin. Check nyo rin if may mga hawak silang Legal papers.. Check nyo rin ang location ng office nila. Sa gganitong ang pweding ma lessen ang pag po promote ng mga scam project at para na rin hindi na masayang ang oras at effort ng bawat isa mapa bounty manager ,bounty hunter at future investor

    Mahalaga ang papel na ginagampanan ng isang bounty manager sa pagtiyak na ang isang proyekto ay hindi isang peke at scam lamang pala. Now, a project can later on fail as there is no guarantee in this industry but at the very least the bounty manager has to make sure that at the beginning things are going well and above board. On our side, we also have to look at the projects and look for possible red flags and see what other members of the forum can be saying about it. Sadly, due to competition here, many bounty managers has the tendecny to take any projects that come their way without proper vetting and investigation first.

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    May 05, 2019, 09:00:36 AM
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    Naalala ko kelan lang nag apply ako sa isang signature campaign na newbie ang manager, usually hindi trusted diba kapag newbie ang magma manage ng campaign pero ito kasi yung funds naka escrow sa kilalang member dito sa forum.

    Yun pala may scam accusation para sa project na ilang years na din ang nakalipas pero naungkat. Kaya ayon na red tag yung manager at escrow kahit na hindi yung escrow associated sa team.

    Buti na lang natanggal ko agad yung sig right after mag warning ang dt. Kaya dapat talaga siyasatin muna ang mga sasalihan natin para maiwasan malagay sa alanganin ang ating account.

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    July 19, 2019, 10:06:33 AM
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    Mula sa Yobit signature campaign before na may maraming accusation at mainit sa mga mata ng DT members dito sa forum at ngayon may bago na namang nag raise ng flag dahil sa campaign na ito.

    Flag against Livecoin (again)
    Flag on LiveCoin Manager
    LiveCoin.Net Signature Campaign

    Mas mainam siguro kung observe lang muna bago mag join hanggang hindi pa na fix your accusation against them and the worst thing wala din silang escrow of fund.


    Tandaan, nasa 'yo parin ang decision kung ikaw ay mag join oh hindi basta may risk na naka abang sa campaign na yan at may concern ako na baka merong kabayan ang ma red tag ng dahil diyan.('wag naman sana)

    #Double ingat mga kabayan 'wag mag risk ng account niyo.

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    Quote from: sheenshane on July 19, 2019, 10:06:33 AM
    Mas mainam siguro kung observe lang muna bago mag join hanggang hindi pa na fix your accusation against them and the worst thing wala din silang escrow of fund.

    “Rather to be safe than sorry” - a piece of advice that also just been advice to me, i want to share it to you also.

    natawa ako sa pag troll ni marlboroza, which is na totoo naman. Yung word na “join” it should be “apply” dahil the word itself “join” in fact na nag post kana ng specific details na need nila accepted kana agad.

    Like... na appropriate dapat ay
    *HOW TO APPLY* not *HOW TO JOIN*

    A sweet of you sheenshane to aware ang mga ibang kababayan natin.

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    July 19, 2019, 08:25:12 PM
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    Good job kabayan! Now, sana maging aware tayo sa lahat ng bounty projects dito. Hindi lahat bounty ay talagang income. Minsan kahit alam na nating scam sinasalihan pa. Anyway, May nakita akong suspetsa ko scam na project. Medyo enticing any project kasi IEO ang trip nila. Pero pag pinag-aralan mo, malalaman mong bogus ang project na ito. Eto sya https://bt.irlbtc.com/view/5164813.0
    Fame teams ang tinutukoy ko. Asian ang mga pangalan pero American itsura. At meron na silang accusations sa scam section.

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    July 20, 2019, 03:50:37 AM
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    Ngayon madali nalang naman malaman kung scam ang bounty campaign kase marami naman ang nagrereact sa thread kaya dapay pag alam muna na scam ang project better to leave right away wag muna antayin ang payout kase mas lalo ka lang mapupunta sa malaking risk, mas importante paren para sakin ang account reputation.
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